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Ephrem Moseley

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Re: New trans laws
« Reply #350 on: January 31, 2022, 02:20:56 PM »
also I was successful at attracting a 22-year-old babe--most beautiful and interesting woman I've ever personally met

(I hope you're watching this thread Starr)

that was before she tricked me into seeing her ID

I'm 55

sigh

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Re: New trans laws
« Reply #351 on: January 31, 2022, 04:54:50 PM »

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« Reply #352 on: January 31, 2022, 05:07:52 PM »
A private Christian school denounces homosexuals and transgenders. I'm not terribly surprised, but I don't think it is going to crumble anything.

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Re: New trans laws
« Reply #353 on: January 31, 2022, 05:13:25 PM »
A private Christian school denounces homosexuals and transgenders. I'm not terribly surprised, but I don't think it is going to crumble anything.
tell that to the trans/gay students who attended/want to attend

petition against it has over 50k signatures

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« Reply #354 on: January 31, 2022, 05:18:08 PM »
A petition is a nice way to vent, I wonder how many of them even live in Queensland. I wonder how many of them are interested in Christian school.

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Re: New trans laws
« Reply #355 on: January 31, 2022, 05:22:42 PM »
A petition is a nice way to vent, I wonder how many of them even live in Queensland. I wonder how many of them are interested in Christian school.
I wonder if this kind of thing will become the norm for schools in the US.

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Re: New trans laws
« Reply #356 on: January 31, 2022, 06:03:41 PM »
Where have you been? There are loads of anti-LGBT religious schools in the US.

A court case is pending in Kentucky

Ephrem Moseley

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Re: New trans laws
« Reply #357 on: January 31, 2022, 06:27:58 PM »
Where have you been? There are loads of anti-LGBT religious schools in the US.

A court case is pending in Kentucky
I said "schools" without a qualification though

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« Reply #358 on: January 31, 2022, 07:37:42 PM »
Where have you been? There are loads of anti-LGBT religious schools in the US.

A court case is pending in Kentucky
I said "schools" without a qualification though

There is not now, nor ever will be, a public high school demanding students take a pledge against being gay or transgender.

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« Reply #359 on: January 31, 2022, 08:46:10 PM »
There is not now, nor ever will be, a public high school demanding students take a pledge against being gay or transgender.
Ah a prophet!!!

There is a non-zero probability, sir, that the world will in my lifetime be under the control of a theocratic fascist regime.

Yes?

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« Reply #360 on: January 31, 2022, 09:04:00 PM »
There is not now, nor ever will be, a public high school demanding students take a pledge against being gay or transgender.
Ah a prophet!!!

There is a non-zero probability, sir, that the world will in my lifetime be under the control of a theocratic fascist regime.

Yes?

Barring a seismic shift in public opinion and law, I'll grant you that possibility. If the American Taliban rises up, then sure.

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Re: New trans laws
« Reply #361 on: January 31, 2022, 09:10:02 PM »
"barring"?

Aris Katsaris

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« Reply #362 on: February 01, 2022, 05:38:02 AM »
There is a non-zero probability, sir, that the world will in my lifetime be under the control of a theocratic fascist regime.

There's a "non-zero probability" for a tyranny of sentient cross-dressing alien purple giraffes as well. But I wouldn't bet on it.

You know to use lots of phrases that end up meaning nothing while *sounding* as if they mean something. "non-zero probability" is one of those.

Ephrem Moseley

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« Reply #363 on: February 01, 2022, 10:34:49 AM »
There's a "non-zero probability" for a tyranny of sentient cross-dressing alien purple giraffes as well. But I wouldn't bet on it.

You know to use lots of phrases that end up meaning nothing while *sounding* as if they mean something. "non-zero probability" is one of those.
Are you telling me that all non-zero probabilities will never come true?

ALL of them? ALL of them can be rounded down to zero?

Cause it only takes one to bite you in the ass is all I'm saying. Just one.

I wonder what the probability of that happening is.

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Re: New trans laws
« Reply #364 on: February 01, 2022, 11:26:10 AM »
There is a non-zero probability that gender as a concept will be dismissed and that procreation will be done via cloning and that all Christians attempting to procreate naturally will be put to death.

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« Reply #365 on: February 01, 2022, 11:33:18 AM »
There is a non-zero probability that gender as a concept will be dismissed and that procreation will be done via cloning and that all Christians attempting to procreate naturally will be put to death.
That would be my hope. It is the dream of a Christian to be martyred.

Please tell me where I need to go to be culled.

Are you/do you hope to be one of the cullers?

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« Reply #366 on: February 01, 2022, 11:57:50 AM »
There is a non-zero probability that gender as a concept will be dismissed and that procreation will be done via cloning and that all Christians attempting to procreate naturally will be put to death.
That would be my hope. It is the dream of a Christian to be martyred.

Please tell me where I need to go to be culled.

Are you/do you hope to be one of the cullers?

Nah, I'd rather be one of the cloners. I will decide which genetic material is most fit based entirely on woke culture.

Aris Katsaris

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« Reply #367 on: February 01, 2022, 01:54:01 PM »
Are you telling me that all non-zero probabilities will never come true?

ALL of them? ALL of them can be rounded down to zero?

Cause it only takes one to bite you in the ass is all I'm saying. Just one.

I wonder what the probability of that happening is.

No, I'm the one who is actually aware that different events have different probabilities, so I never said that "all non-zero probabilities will never come true".

It's you who seeks to conflate everything into a single mass of "non-zero probabilities" -- whether it's 99.9% or 0.1% you don't seem to care, as long as they're non-zero.

But as long as we're discussing probabilities, I'll tell you however, that a global fascist theocratic regime has a lot more probability of being Islamic than Christian -- since for starters, there are already fascist theocratic Islamic regimes, it's only the "global" adjective they're lacking.

Unfortunately for you, Iran doesn't hate trans people as much as you do, so don't be sure a fascist theocratic regime would be doing things you like.
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Re: New trans laws
« Reply #368 on: February 01, 2022, 04:25:04 PM »
Nah, I'd rather be one of the cloners. I will decide which genetic material is most fit based entirely on woke culture.
Great choice! I assume you'll be participating actively and extensively in the, um, "natural" way of reproducing?

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Re: New trans laws
« Reply #369 on: February 01, 2022, 04:35:48 PM »
No, I'm the one who is actually aware that different events have different probabilities, so I never said that "all non-zero probabilities will never come true".

It's you who seeks to conflate everything into a single mass of "non-zero probabilities" -- whether it's 99.9% or 0.1% you don't seem to care, as long as they're non-zero.

But as long as we're discussing probabilities, I'll tell you however, that a global fascist theocratic regime has a lot more probability of being Islamic than Christian -- since for starters, there are already fascist theocratic Islamic regimes, it's only the "global" adjective they're lacking.

Unfortunately for you, Iran doesn't hate trans people as much as you do, so don't be sure a fascist theocratic regime would be doing things you like.
Excellent point. Let me restate what I meant in my haste to continue this very enlightening conversation:

"Are you telling me that all non-zero probabilities less than 0.000001% will never come true?

There is an endless number of those probabilities, correct? Not infinite mind you, but endless over the lifetime of our universe if not solar system.

And if one of those improbabilities comes true, it might be one based on a very popular book over the last, say, 6000 years or so?"

And re Iran, I will take my chances, just as everyone is. I've decided to maximize my happiness in the here-and-now because I feel that there is a non-zero-greater-than-1%-probability-in-my-lifetime that medical technology will go exponential and provide anyone with the ability to live as long as he/she wishes, barring accidents and new diseases, of course. Different type of Singularity.

Vonnegut's anti-gerasone IOW where the difference is: we have plenty of resources in settling the known universe which I hope is infinite, with also the 0.000000001% probability (I'm guessing) that we'll figure out how to create new universes and teleport into them.

That'd be cool right?

So why not spend leisure time investigating that? Could bump up the probability to 0.0001% after all.

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Re: New trans laws
« Reply #370 on: February 01, 2022, 04:43:32 PM »
so I assume all TRAs will emigrate to Iran should my dreams come true.

That will turn out well I am quite sure.

win/win!

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Re: New trans laws
« Reply #371 on: February 02, 2022, 01:45:01 PM »
Iran might not be quite as tolerant:

https://twitter.com/RebuffTheMuff/status/1488793852169400321?s=20&t=inxukL6VMTjWjyodFdJYAQ

We all know what's going on here. Be a transwoman, they'll cut your balls off immediately.

Be gay and be executed.

That is what you're celebrating???

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« Reply #372 on: February 02, 2022, 02:20:25 PM »
Here's a heartwarming story for EM.

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In November last year, Aneera Kabeer attended her 14th job interview in two months wearing a cap, a mask that hid most of her face, and men's clothes.

The 35-year-old trans woman says it was an act of desperation borne of the transphobic remarks she faced at earlier interviews.

She got the part-time job - at a government school in the southern Indian state of Kerala - but alleges she was unfairly dismissed less than two months later.

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In 2018, Shanavi Ponnusamy wrote a letter to Indian President Ram Nath Kovind, also seeking a mercy killing.

The previous year she had petitioned the country's Supreme Court after she was allegedly denied a job by Air India, then the national carrier, as they didn't have a policy for hiring transgender staff.

Transgender hell

Aris Katsaris

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« Reply #373 on: February 02, 2022, 02:26:27 PM »
Iran might not be quite as tolerant:

https://twitter.com/RebuffTheMuff/status/1488793852169400321?s=20&t=inxukL6VMTjWjyodFdJYAQ

We all know what's going on here. Be a transwoman, they'll cut your balls off immediately.

Be gay and be executed.

That is what you're celebrating???

First of all -- I never celebrated Iran, the very opposite, I despise it: You're the one who wants a theocratic fascist regime, don't try to twist things around.

Secondly, what I'm actually reading (https://qz.com/889548/everyone-treated-me-like-a-saint-in-iran-theres-only-one-way-to-survive-as-a-transgender-person/) is "If an Iranian is officially diagnosed with gender identity disorder, the government issues the authorization for them to legally start the sex reassignment process, and at the end of that process the court issues a new identity card, with a new gender listed. In other words, while Iran does not mandate that all trans individuals have the surgery, it is not possible to change your gender marker on official documents without undergoing the surgery."

so I don't know where you're getting "Be a transwoman, they'll cut off your balls immediately."

I think that's again just your wet dream of how a theocratic fascist regime will behave, not actually how Iran behaves.

They certainly murder lots of other LGBT people (gay people specifially), so that'll be making you happy, I know. Given your "love" for your fellow human beings.

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Re: New trans laws
« Reply #374 on: February 02, 2022, 02:33:38 PM »
I don't celebrate murders

but, I appreciate the corrections, I've filed it all and it won't be forgotten

I beg your forgiveness I jump to conclusions sometimes

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Re: New trans laws
« Reply #375 on: February 02, 2022, 02:43:41 PM »
and by the way

did Jesus love the money-changers he whipped?

hmmmmm

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Re: New trans laws
« Reply #376 on: February 02, 2022, 02:45:59 PM »
Yes.

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« Reply #377 on: February 02, 2022, 03:01:16 PM »
did Jesus love the money-changers he whipped?

Am amused at the different interpretations of this passage:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleansing_of_the_Temple#Interpretation_of_John_2:15

Christians who want to be violent argue that Jesus used violence against the merchants themselves. Christians who want a peaceful Christianity interpret it as Jesus only using the whip against the oxen and the sheep, since it's said he made the whip and it's not mentioned how he used it, it's only said he "drove out the merchants and overturned their tables"

As always creating God after our own image!

Either way, however, I'm not a Christian at all and I don't believe Jesus was divine, and I don't actually need to care at all about what Jesus did or didn't do, or what his feelings were at the time. If you insist however, I would however guess that, being an ordinary human being, he probably didn't love those particular people at that particular moment, no.

Not that this matters any.

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« Reply #378 on: February 02, 2022, 03:10:41 PM »
yes it matters Aris because you brought up Christian "love"

there are as many interpretations of that verse as you want, of course

some humans -- narcissists, solipsists, for example -- might only understand one kind of punishment, that's my opinion

I mean, OT God, hello???

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Re: New trans laws
« Reply #379 on: February 06, 2022, 02:58:40 PM »
No I did not. I advocated pruning off the people who have beliefs that ultimately end up with pedophilia being accepted. I am NOT calling anyone transgender a pedophile. What I am saying instead is that TWAW goes in a direction that pedophiles, the predators, want.
Just for clarity here. Which definition do you use for pedophile?

Is it this one from the DSM-5?
https://www.theravive.com/therapedia/pedophilic-disorder-dsm--5-302.2-(f65.4)
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Pedophilic Disorder is a DSM-5 (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, fifth edition), diagnosis assigned to adults ( defined as age 16 and up) who have sexual desire for prepubescent children...
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According to the DSM-5, there are three criterion, with six specifiers:

  • An individual who has had arousing fantasies about, urges for, or behaviors with a prepubescent child or children.
  • The individual has acted out these sexual desires, or is experiencing significant distress or difficulty as a result of these desires.
  • The Individual is 16 years of age, and at least five years older than the child or children noted in Criterion A.

Where "pre-pubescent" then becomes an open question of definition, and can be wildly variable between children, and appears to have historically been that way as well:
https://theconversation.com/children-arent-starting-puberty-younger-medieval-skeletons-reveal-91095

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Puberty is divided into five clinical stages, with pre-puberty at stage one and onset (or thelarche) at stage two. Menarche (a girls first period) occurs at stage three. The age at which a child enters puberty (stage one) varies. Today, puberty onset occurs between the ages of ten and 14 in girls and 12 to 16 in boys, with some ethnic groups starting around a year earlier. The end of puberty, or full maturation, is reached by 13-17 years for girls, and 15-18 years for boys.

Or are we going for the more popular culture definition where a pedophile is simply someone who has sexual desires for "a child" where the definition of "child" becomes fuzzy? Epstein certainly seemed to be walking that line from what I'm seeing as a quick google is telling me the ages ranged from either 11 to 17 or 12 to 17 for the under-aged girls depending on which article I wanted to cite(I'm not bothering with any).

Much of the world seems to legally define the age of sexual consent as being 16 years old as of right now(even some states in the US do the same, although "sexual tourism" by crossing state lines is a federal matter and subject to federal law which sets the bar at 18. Although the UCMJ for the US Military still holds the age of consent to be 16). China has it set at 14. Japan's age of consent is set at 13, although they have provincial "corruption of a minor" laws which effectively raise it to 18 for most cases.
South Korea is set at 20.

If you ask some actuaries to compile statistics based on pregnancy outcomes, they'd likely advocate sexual age of consent should be closer to 25, which would bring it in line with Parent provided medical care for dependent children under the ACA("Obamacare").

So can you clarify what you mean when you're talking about pedophiles? Are we talking sexually desiring 24 year olds as a middle-aged person? Are we talking about a College Freshman (aged 19 years) sexually desiring a 17 year old High School Senior? Or maybe it's that 16 year old boy being sexually attracted to that 14YO girl who just completed puberty?

The best way to help ensure pedophilla becomes acceptable is to turn it into the acceptable-to-use term for every kind of "they're too young for that" exclamation about young individuals having sex.

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« Reply #380 on: February 06, 2022, 03:02:00 PM »
A world of fundamentalist Christians, if that's how you'd like it defined is indeed miniscule. And shrinking daily, thanks be to science.

Which was largely created, funded, and expanded upon by a bunch of deeply devoted Christians. Go figure. In fact, they're still pioneering in a large number of scientific fields, especially so in medicine.

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« Reply #381 on: February 06, 2022, 03:09:10 PM »
Perhaps we should neuter everyone who goes to prison that might solve the problem or rape - but of course its only the trans that rape in prison, so maybe only them, unless such surgery transformation is what they wish for.

Well, if they've ever undergone HRT for a gender transition, that effectively sterilizes them anyway. To my understanding, its permanent, but could be wrong on that front. So long as they're kept on HRT, they won't be getting anybody pregnant though.

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« Reply #382 on: February 06, 2022, 04:26:55 PM »
A world of fundamentalist Christians, if that's how you'd like it defined is indeed miniscule. And shrinking daily, thanks be to science.

Which was largely created, funded, and expanded upon by a bunch of deeply devoted Christians. Go figure. In fact, they're still pioneering in a large number of scientific fields, especially so in medicine.

You're missing the fundamentalist part, I think. Strict creationists, evolution deniers. I don't think you'll find many of them with a doctoral degree.

The Jesuits certainly have done a lot, and they are Christians. But not fundamentalists, which are essentially a subgroup of evangelicals.

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« Reply #383 on: February 06, 2022, 08:33:00 PM »
The way to pedophilia starts with what Dershowitz wants -- no statutory rape starting at 15. Give him and those like him control and they'll figure out how to get it, over time, to 14. Then as low as they want given time.

People who like that idea will inevitably support the transgender agenda, merely because the only other choice in this polarized environment is becoming, more and more, fundamentalist Christianity.

Personally I think that all sexual behavior involving anyone younger than 25 (when, I understand, the brain is fully-formed neurologically speaking) should be culturally shamed. Where it happens there are serious repercussions like the penis-bearer(s) goes to prison or is institutionalized until he is 30 years old.

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