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msquared

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« Reply #350 on: September 09, 2022, 09:53:04 AM »
Well Trump got his lawsuit against Clinton tossed today.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/judge-dismisses-trump-lawsuit-against-124420268.html

Part of the judges decision.

Trump in March had sued Clinton, who was the 2016 Democratic presidential nominee, and several other Democrats alleging "racketeering," a "conspiracy to commit injurious falsehood" and other claims in a 108-page lawsuit that echoed the long list of grievances he repeatedly aired during his four years in the White House after beating Clinton.

He had sought compensatory and punitive damages, saying he had incurred more than $24 million in "defense costs, legal fees, and related expenses."

In his ruling, Middlebrooks said Trump had waited too long to file his complaint by exceeding the legal statute of limitations for his claims and that he failed to make his case that he was harmed by any falsehoods, noting that many of the statements made by the defendants were "plainly protected by the First Amendment" of the U.S. Constitution.

If only Trump had good lawyers who knew how to file things on time.

Wayward Son

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« Reply #351 on: September 09, 2022, 11:51:43 AM »
Oh, msquared, it was far more than that.  You should read the judge's actual ruling, at least where he rules on Trump's amendment to his original complaint, starting on page 63.

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Plaintiff requests that, in the event I “find[] the Complaint inadequate in any respect,” I grant him leave to amend pursuant to Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 15(a). ...
It is true that under Rule 15 “[t]he court should freely give leave when justice so requires.” ... But a district court need not allow amendment “where amendment would be futile.” ... It is not simply that I find the Amended Complaint “inadequate in any respect”; it is inadequate in nearly every respect. Defendants presented substantively identical arguments in support of dismissal in the earlier round of briefing on Plaintiff’s original Complaint. ... But despite this briefing, Plaintiff’s Amended Complaint failed to cure any of the deficiencies. Instead, Plaintiff added eighty new pages of largely irrelevant
allegations that did nothing to salvage the legal sufficiency of his claims. The inadequacies with Plaintiff’s Amended Complaint are not “merely issues of technical pleading,” as Plaintiff contends, but fatal substantive defects that preclude Plaintiff from proceeding under any of the theories he has presented. At its core, the problem with Plaintiff’s Amended Complaint is that Plaintiff is not attempting to seek redress for any legal harm; instead, he is seeking to flaunt a two-hundred-page political manifesto outlining his grievances against those that have opposed him, and this Court is not the appropriate forum.

C'mon, Judge, tell us how you really feel.  ;D

msquared

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« Reply #352 on: September 09, 2022, 02:46:47 PM »
A former Trump lawyer who defended Trump in the first impeachment.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trumps-former-white-house-lawyer-174317033.html

The telling quote:

"My personal view is that it's less a character issue than a personality defect," Cobb said. "I believe former President Trump to be a deeply wounded narcissist, and he is often incapable of acting other than in his perceived self-interest, or for revenge. I think those are the two compelling instincts that guide his actions."

wmLambert

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« Reply #353 on: September 09, 2022, 08:17:26 PM »
Yeah, the judge ruled against the Trump motion to bring suit against Clinton - primarily because it's too old. Since the Clinton lie about Russia! Russia! Russia! is still being used in news to attack Trump, how exactly is the crime not ongoing? Since it truly is, and since the judge and Ty Cobb both linked it with the idea that the 2020 vote was scammed, the judge's argument seems to miss the point - and aim at something else entirely.

Look, perhaps this is too simple for apologists to get. Hillary tried to affect the election by paying for the Steele Dossier and Sussman's allegation about the Alfabank.. The Hillary advocates in the DOJ protected her before and after the election and continued the attack. Is there anyone who doesn't understand that? She knew and kept it up after the truth hit her square in the face.

But she wasn't the only one. Look at the 2020 election, when the laptop was hidden away for months before the election. They couldn't even claim they held up to not affect the election, there was plenty of time. Nor only did the DOJ and the FBI not fulfill their duties and reveal the results of the investigate of the laptop, but they also blocked news sources and social media from even discussing it.

Then there was Big Pharma ready to distribute vaccine shots before the election, and the Clintonite Fauci, the CDC and others requested they hood off the announcement that the vaccines were ready until after the election, so Trump couldn't showcase the success of Operation Warp Speed.

The election interfering was not just the 2,000 Mules accusations, it was all the above. No one really argues that, do they?

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« Reply #354 on: September 09, 2022, 08:24:49 PM »
Out of interest, William, what do you think the "Russia, Russia, Russia" lie actually was?

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By the way, does this mean that you're now conceding that the 2000 Mules allegations are a bunch of phooey, and asking us to look at different phooey?

Wayward Son

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« Reply #355 on: September 09, 2022, 08:47:08 PM »
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Yeah, the judge ruled against the Trump motion to bring suit against Clinton - primarily because it's too old.

Primarily because it is too old?

In the excerpt I quoted, the judge basically said, "If I found the Complaint lacking in any respect, you can file an amendment."  So she did find something lacking.

They filed an amendment to cover the things she found lacking.  And, in her own words, "It is not simply that I find the Amended Complaint “inadequate in any respect”; it is inadequate in nearly every respect."  (Emphasis from the judge.)

In fact, here is what the Judge said was the core problem: "At its core, the problem with Plaintiff’s Amended Complaint is that Plaintiff is not attempting to seek redress for any legal harm; instead, he is seeking to flaunt a two-hundred-page political manifesto outlining his grievances against those that have opposed him, and this Court is not the appropriate forum."

If the amendment was to address the inadequacies of the original petition, and the amendment not only did not address those inadequacies but "presented substantively identical arguments in support of dismissal in the earlier round of briefing on Plaintiff’s original Complaint" and "failed to cure any of the deficiencies," how do you come to the conclusion that the dismissal was "primarily because it was too old?"  ;D

You don't write all that just because a complaint was "too old."  You write that because the whole thing was a pile of horse poop from the beginning. 

It's all in front of you, William.  Open your eyes and read it, instead of just listening to those who tell you what you want to hear.  ::)

TheDrake

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« Reply #356 on: September 10, 2022, 10:26:11 AM »
So a German company (Pfizer) delayed distribution of their vaccine to their own country, and giving up massive revenues for weeks if not months, in an effort to influence American elections? It's not like American distribution lagged European distribution. You do know there are other countries, don't you wm?

msquared

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« Reply #357 on: September 10, 2022, 11:03:53 AM »
It just proves the lengths the Gates/Soros cabal would go to damage Trump.

msquared

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« Reply #358 on: September 14, 2022, 09:27:38 AM »
Well it looks like Durham's inquiry is about run out of steam with very little to show.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/durham-inquiry-appears-wind-down-122137208.html

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« Reply #359 on: September 15, 2022, 12:05:51 PM »

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« Reply #360 on: September 15, 2022, 12:55:26 PM »
Meadows has turned over documents to the DOJ.

Meh.  The story linked said he had already turned the same documents over to the Jan 6 committee, and has not turned over any documents he believes are subject to executive privilege. Call me underwhelmed.   I know people are already screaming "Meadows has turned on T*&%^", but it's nothing new really. 

msquared

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« Reply #361 on: September 21, 2022, 11:56:23 AM »
And the fraud case in NY gets filed.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/letitia-james-sues-trump-family-business-fraud-154641833.html
Star witness is Trump Organization CFO.

Crunch

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« Reply #362 on: September 21, 2022, 02:08:04 PM »
Yeah, this time the walls are closing in! . For real this time! :o

Trump is the current front running political opponent. DeSantis is second. I'm sure we all love the idea of using the DOJ to target your political opponents. Right? Very democratic.

I truly hope Trump re-takes the Whitehouse just so I can see you guys lose the last failing remnants of your sanity.

msquared

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« Reply #363 on: September 21, 2022, 02:21:49 PM »
Except this is in the state courts, not Federal, so the DOJ has nothing to do with it.  And the NY case has been going on for years since Trump stonewalled it while he was in office as well as since.
Just like the case in GA is a state case and not Federal.

The NY AG was targeting Trump for years, not just since Biden got elected.

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« Reply #364 on: September 21, 2022, 03:53:56 PM »
Trumps shady doings were suspected long before he became political.
That his followers don't care and or prefer to pretend its not so is another matter 

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« Reply #365 on: September 21, 2022, 08:10:19 PM »
Partial stay of Cannon's order was granted re: the documents still identified as classified, per DOJ request. The ruling is well-written, clear, and rips Cannon's reasoning to shreds in a very thorough but polite way.

msquared

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« Reply #366 on: September 21, 2022, 08:15:22 PM »
Two of the three judges on the panel were appointed by Trump.

Unanimous decision.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/appeals-panel-says-judge-erred-234253063.html

Ouija Nightmare

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« Reply #367 on: September 22, 2022, 02:15:27 PM »
Two of the three judges on the panel were appointed by Trump.

Unanimous decision.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/appeals-panel-says-judge-erred-234253063.html


There was one particular bit from that presented itself to me.

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While Cannon speculated in her ruling that allowing investigators continued access to the documents could result in leaks of their contents, the appeals panel brushed aside that concern.

“Permitting the United States to retain the documents does not suggest that they will be released; indeed, a purpose of the United States’s efforts in investigating the recovered classified documents is to limit unauthorized disclosure of the information they contain,” the appeals judges wrote. “Not only that, but any authorized official who makes an improper disclosure risks her own criminal liability.”

Let me get this right. Cannon was speculating that investigators might leak this “declassified” information?

Anyone else see the trouble with this?


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« Reply #368 on: September 28, 2022, 06:17:46 PM »
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I don't now much about golf, nor Trump's ability in it. I looked up Jack Nicklaus' take on him https://www.sportingnews.com/us/golf/news/donald-trump-golf-handicap-liv-golf-pro-am/bzmsm39uc1k76acchaubrwj6. I'm not much impressed by Rick Reilly's credentials, because I've never heard of him, and so many Trump-haters make up so much. I've got the book on order to fix my ignorance on it, but don't expect too much, based on the tendency of all Trump haters to blatantly lie. I will take Nicklaus's view of his golf game, for now.

Rick Reilly doesn't make the claim Trump is a bad golfer. He makes the claim Trump compulsively and blatantly cheats at golf. Trump can be a good golfer and still feel the need to compulsively cheat. That's all Reilly is saying. That Trump feels no need to follow the rules and will cheat people to their face even when they are betting money on the game.

The latest news is that Leftist's heads are exploding because Golf Digest announced the rankings of past Presidents, and gave Trump the top ranking of 2.8. JFK was 7, George H. W .Bush was was 11. Ford, Clinton, and Nixon were 12, Obama was 13. George W. Bush was 15, and Ike was 18. The biggest complaint is not how high the former president is rated - but that Biden was given second place at 6.7. While Reilly argued the magazine's ratings are off, golf reporters say it is hard to believe anything he says, He has been caught outright lying and getting facts seriously wrong in his past reporting.

Now that I've read his book, Commander in Cheat, I see where he's coming from. He thinks Golf is the ultimate religion - and any disregard for tournament rules within the sport is heinous. Many think Golf is just a rich man's game and could care less how golfers playing for the fun of it behave on the links. Professional golfers have said Trump is a good golfer, but the 2.8 may be a bit too high. As was Biden's, who hasn't golfed much. Reilly said he may have been a six a long time ago.
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TheDrake

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« Reply #369 on: September 28, 2022, 06:30:32 PM »
It's not really tournament rules, its etiquette. You don't have to be in a tournament to know that you NEVER EVER advance beyond the away golfer, unless you are pals and you are on the opposite side of the fairway. You'll get thrown out of any club in the country for repeatedly driving your cart onto the green, unless you happen to own the place. You replace your divots (or let your caddy do it, if you're rich), you certainly don't interfere with someone else's ball. Trust me when I say that any golfer who got paired up with someone playing like Trump on a public municipal course would get pissed off. I don't think that you'd put up with someone grabbing your ball and throwing it in the sand trap, would you? If you're playing pool for the fun of it, is it okay if your opponent just picks a ball up off the table and drops it in a hole?

I'm impressed you read the book, though, wm.

msquared

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« Reply #370 on: September 28, 2022, 07:30:43 PM »
Wm as was have said, Trump is very likely a good golfer.  He has time to practice and locations to do so on. He has access to pros to teach him.

The fact his he cheats even when he does not have to, even in friendly games. He has no honor.