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Re: Trump looses again
« Reply #450 on: December 21, 2022, 02:29:35 PM »
Well the fact that the private  company he owns and runs was just found guilty of fraud lends credence to the idea that maybe his finances should be looked at more closely.

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« Reply #451 on: December 21, 2022, 02:38:36 PM »
I'm not arguing that they should be looked at by congress, the IRS, and any other group with the authorization of a court order. If the DOJ wants to take an in depth look I would be thrilled.  I believe Trump is a thief and grifter who should probably be in prison but I do not feel comfortable with Congress releasing the tax records of a political opponent.

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« Reply #452 on: December 22, 2022, 10:18:35 AM »
A judge does not like all of the stupid law suits Trumps team has filed.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/judge-tells-trump-lawyers-stop-133237113.html

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« Reply #453 on: December 22, 2022, 04:39:17 PM »
The biggest argument in favor of releasing is to counter priests of politically motivated witch hunts, and let people see for themselves. I don't know if that's enough to form a compelling interest, but it's not wrong to bolster faith in the systems of government

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« Reply #454 on: December 25, 2022, 10:50:54 PM »
In his Christmas post on Truth Social Trump says he is clairvoyant

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-declares-himself-clairvoyant-critics-031427940.html

To quote a famous Spaniard, "I do not think that word means what you think it means." I. Montoya.

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« Reply #455 on: January 07, 2023, 08:15:43 PM »

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« Reply #456 on: January 07, 2023, 08:56:08 PM »
Does anyone legitimately believe that Trump DIDN'T massively exaggerate and overvalue his properties? Or is the argument that EVERYBODY does it, and its only anti-Trump bias that means he's being held accountable? I mean seriously, the man massively exaggerates EVERYTHING in his entire life, from his fortune, to his golf scores, to his mental prowess. The difference in this case is that he filed paperwork about it, and gained something from it.

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« Reply #457 on: January 08, 2023, 06:54:17 AM »
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Does anyone legitimately believe that Trump DIDN'T massively exaggerate and overvalue his properties? Or is the argument that EVERYBODY does it, and its only anti-Trump bias that means he's being held accountable? I mean seriously, the man massively exaggerates EVERYTHING in his entire life, from his fortune, to his golf scores, to his mental prowess. The difference in this case is that he filed paperwork about it, and gained something from it.

The issue isn't just that he exaggerated the value.  It is that he exaggerated it to investors and diminished it for taxation purposes.  He tried to have his cake and eat it and got caught.

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« Reply #458 on: January 08, 2023, 09:38:50 AM »
Sure, that means he's fraudulent one way or the other. I guess I believe that his buildings were probably just as worthless as he declared to the IRS.

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« Reply #459 on: January 13, 2023, 12:34:35 PM »
$1.61 million fine for the Trump Corporation.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/donald-trumps-company-sentenced-15-112004185.html

So now it is official, Trump leads a criminal organization.

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« Reply #460 on: January 13, 2023, 01:41:16 PM »
Trump loses his bid to dismiss E Jean Carroll's defamation suit

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-loses-bid-dismiss-rape-174554869.html

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« Reply #461 on: January 13, 2023, 05:38:45 PM »
$1.61 million fine for the Trump Corporation.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/donald-trumps-company-sentenced-15-112004185.html

So now it is official, Trump leads a criminal organization.

Trump crime family

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« Reply #462 on: January 13, 2023, 06:20:26 PM »
It's not a crime and you're not caught...

and you're Republican.  ;D

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« Reply #463 on: January 15, 2023, 07:55:57 AM »
Well Trumps bid to dimiss the civil fraud law suit is rejected as frivolous. They tried to argue the same three reasons that he had rejected earlier.

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/york-judge-denies-donald-trump-143012928.html

I guess when your company is found criminally guilty of fraud it should be no suprise that a civil case might have standing.

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« Reply #464 on: January 19, 2023, 07:36:33 AM »
For years Trump has claimed that E. Jean Carroll was "not his type" (as if men who sexually assault women really have a type).

But when shown a picture of Carroll from years ago, Trump thought Carroll was his second wife.

https://currently.att.yahoo.com/att/trump-thought-old-picture-e-041357504.html?.tsrc=daily_mail&uh_test=1_11

So maybe when the attack happened she was his "type".

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« Reply #465 on: January 19, 2023, 12:33:22 PM »
Just as brilliant as his other legal theories, defending yourself on the basis of attraction. I don't imagine that has ever worked.

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« Reply #466 on: January 19, 2023, 02:48:40 PM »
Is this the new Democrat legal system?

there were no charges brought at the time of any crime happening - yet two decades after she thinks she can sue him for denying her charges that were never sustained with no witnesses or contemporaneous evidence? Why is her charge believed now, while rejecting them is considered criminal?

There have been so many bogus false charges against Trump (proven to be false) that it seems any charges brought up decades afterwards should be automatically placed into that same category. Why can't he comment on his innocence?

Many of the earlier bogus charges were brought by Democrat operators looking to stir the pot and make some money in the process. Why should anyone believe these charges? Hunter had DNA proof of his licentiousnessand and he and his father still deny wrongdoing.

Of course the Democrat apologists here bring this up so they can ignore Hunter and the Big Guy's criminal activity. Unlike the charges aginst Trump - their charges have been backed up with confirmed evidence and eyewitness testimony. But those here who fear Trump just say, "Move along - nothing to see here. Look at that guy over there - don't look at the guy behind the curtain."

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« Reply #467 on: January 19, 2023, 02:55:50 PM »
Sounds like you might do a better job defending trump than Trump's lawyers. At least you're not asserting that he's innocent because she's ugly.

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« Reply #468 on: January 19, 2023, 03:03:12 PM »
Wm

If she has the dress and can produce it at trial and it has DNA evidence on it, would that convince you?

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« Reply #469 on: January 19, 2023, 04:07:57 PM »
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... there were no charges brought at the time of any crime happening ...

You mean like Hillary's emails?  And Benghazi?  :)

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« Reply #470 on: January 20, 2023, 06:57:01 AM »
Well Trump and his lawyers get sanctioned. For almost $1 million.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/florida-judge-fines-trump-lawyer-055802610.html

Of course Trump will not pay these sanctions. I guess the lawyers are starting to learn that following Trumps orders is not a great idea.

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« Reply #471 on: January 20, 2023, 10:45:46 AM »
And maybe Trump's lawyers are learning that his frivolous suits are going to cost them big time in sanctions.

They withdraw his suit against the NY AG James.

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/donald-trump-withdraws-lawsuit-against-150633296.html

I wonde why all of a sudden?

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« Reply #472 on: January 20, 2023, 10:50:35 AM »
And in the $1 million dollar sanction, Trump will have to pay Hillary.

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« Reply #473 on: January 20, 2023, 12:03:42 PM »
We should also note what the lawsuit was about, and why he sanctioned them.

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Middlebrooks in September dismissed the suit Trump had filed against Clinton, former top FBI officials and the Democratic Party, rejecting the former president’s claims that they and others conspired to sink his winning presidential campaign by alleging ties to Russia.

The lawsuit had named as defendants Clinton and some of her top advisers, as well as former FBI Director James Comey and other FBI officials involved in the investigation into whether Trump’s 2016 presidential campaign had coordinated with Russia to sway the outcome of the election.

He said then the suit contained “glaring structural deficiencies” and that many of the “characterizations of events are implausible.”

IOW, the judge said the suit claiming that Democratic officials had investigated Trumps Russian ties for the sole purpose of smearing Trump is complete and utter nonsense, worthy of a huge fine.

The judge's order is scathing.

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This case should never have been brought. Its inadequacy as a legal claim was evident from the start. No reasonable lawyer would have filed it. Intended for a political purpose, none of the counts of the amended complaint stated a cognizable legal claim.
Thirty-one individuals and entities were needlessly harmed in order to dishonestly advance a political narrative. A continuing pattern of misuse of the courts by Mr. Trump and his lawyers undermines the rule of law, portrays judges as partisans, and diverts resources from those who have suffered actual legal harm.

And it gets worse from there.  :D

So the next time anyone wants to mention how horrible it was that the Democrats accused Trump of ties to Russia, remember that Judge Middlebrooks has officially ruled in court that Trump lies his butt off.  ;D

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« Reply #474 on: January 20, 2023, 12:30:35 PM »
Sometimes a lawyers job it to tell you client they are wrong.

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« Reply #475 on: January 22, 2023, 08:24:14 PM »
Myabe Trump should consult a tax lawyer or an accountant to see if things are against the law or not.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-questions-whether-not-paying-133657890.html

Trump does not think what Weisselberg was a crime. I mean who pays taxes on using a company apartment. Or on the education of his grandkids.

I mean why does money you  make need to be taxed?

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« Reply #476 on: January 23, 2023, 06:41:49 AM »
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"He didn't pay taxes on the use of a company car - does anyone

Continues to clarify that he thinks everyone cheats. Thus the big lie. I wonder if he ever floated the idea of MAGA ballot harvesting because everyone is doing it.

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« Reply #477 on: January 23, 2023, 06:25:53 PM »
Trump won something.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-somehow-wins-club-golf-221713799.html

The Senior Championship at his own Club.

And he did it with only playing 3 days worth as compared to 4 for everyone else. Why do they even let him play. It's not fair to every one else.

He used a score from earlier in the week as his first round score. So before he even set foot on the links he was 5 strokes up.

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« Reply #478 on: January 23, 2023, 07:15:18 PM »
The Religious Right is dumping Trump in the primaries.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/franklin-graham-says-won-t-203114858.html

If Jesus himself ran as a Dem, the Religous Right would not support him, damn socialist.

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« Reply #479 on: January 23, 2023, 07:17:48 PM »
Acts 4:34-35

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Neither was there any among them that lacked, for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold and laid them down at the apostles’ feet. And distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.

QED.  :D

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« Reply #480 on: January 24, 2023, 06:47:45 AM »
The Religious Right is dumping Trump in the primaries.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/franklin-graham-says-won-t-203114858.html

If Jesus himself ran as a Dem, the Religous Right would not support him, damn socialist.

That's not how I read the article. A guy who typically doesn't endorse won't endorse trump, the other guy said two years out is too early, butt didn't say he would not endorse trump.

Wishful thinking that trump won't be backed. Even if the leaders of some of these evangelical churches stay "neutral" what are the odds of the trumpian flock trading soaring eagle montages of a shirtless trump are going to vote for pence or Cruz? Or even DeSantis?

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« Reply #481 on: January 24, 2023, 11:41:56 AM »
TheDrake is correct. Graham doesn’t generally endorse primary candidates. He will endorse The winner of the primaries which is probably going to be Trump. He is aware that the complicit MSM disinforms the flock and there will be any number of personal opinions that will change with better reportage. Both he and his father knew Trump and believe him to be a good man.
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« Reply #482 on: January 24, 2023, 11:48:36 AM »
Acts 4:34-35

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Neither was there any among them that lacked, for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold and laid them down at the apostles’ feet. And distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.

QED.  :D

Rush Limbaugh loved to tell the story of how Jamestown died and then the Pilgrims almost died because of such a communist pact. When they agreed on everyone must earn their own wherewithal, the settlers flourished. That is the history of the USA.

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« Reply #483 on: January 24, 2023, 12:09:01 PM »
TheDrake is correct. Graham doesn’t generally endorse primary candidates. He will endorse The winner of the primaries which is probably going to be Trump. He is aware that the complicit MSM disinforms the flock and there will be any number of personal opinions that will change with better reportage. Both he and his father knew Trump and believe him to be a good man.

I don't think you can claim to know what Billy Graham though of Trump. He wasn't doing much in the public eye during the time. Franklin has always been more overtly political than his father. Does he really think a serial adulterer is "a good man"? Or did he want conservative judges and Trump gave them to him?

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« Reply #484 on: January 24, 2023, 12:48:41 PM »
Acts 4:34-35

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Neither was there any among them that lacked, for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold and laid them down at the apostles’ feet. And distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.

QED.  :D

Rush Limbaugh loved to tell the story of how Jamestown died and then the Pilgrims almost died because of such a communist pact. When they agreed on everyone must earn their own wherewithal, the settlers flourished. That is the history of the USA.

Heh.  Who would have thought that Rush was smarter than the Apostles?

I bet he was better looking, too.  :D

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« Reply #485 on: January 24, 2023, 01:02:39 PM »
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Rush Limbaugh loved to tell the story of how Jamestown died and then the Pilgrims almost died because of such a communist pact.
I'm not a Limbaugh listener, so I don't know what details he was providing, but this summary is incorrect.
The early English settlers were not communist, and did not enter into a pact preventing private property. Rather, the overwhelming majority of them had signed on as indentured labor, meaning that they were working for someone else's profit. Unsurprisingly, since there were strict rules against mistreating indentured servants and the terms of their contract prevented them from having personal money or private goods, that meant the local economy was incredibly stagnant.

It is unlikely that this is why Jamestown died, but it certainly was a contributing factor to the difficulty many early colonies had with establishing independent markets. When contracts were revised to allow indentured servants to possess personal property, local businesses (as you might expect) boomed.

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« Reply #486 on: January 24, 2023, 02:58:51 PM »
TheDrake is correct. Graham doesn’t generally endorse primary candidates. He will endorse The winner of the primaries which is probably going to be Trump. He is aware that the complicit MSM disinforms the flock and there will be any number of personal opinions that will change with better reportage. Both he and his father knew Trump and believe him to be a good man.

I don't think you can claim to know what Billy Graham though of Trump. He wasn't doing much in the public eye during the time. Franklin has always been more overtly political than his father. Does he really think a serial adulterer is "a good man"? Or did he want conservative judges and Trump gave them to him?

That might be relevant if we were talking about Billy Graham, who died five years ago. This is in fact Franklin Graham who I know nothing about, but his name is right there in the url

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« Reply #487 on: January 24, 2023, 04:33:57 PM »
TheDrake is correct. Graham doesn’t generally endorse primary candidates. He will endorse The winner of the primaries which is probably going to be Trump. He is aware that the complicit MSM disinforms the flock and there will be any number of personal opinions that will change with better reportage. Both he and his father knew Trump and believe him to be a good man.

I don't think you can claim to know what Billy Graham though of Trump. He wasn't doing much in the public eye during the time. Franklin has always been more overtly political than his father. Does he really think a serial adulterer is "a good man"? Or did he want conservative judges and Trump gave them to him?

That might be relevant if we were talking about Billy Graham, who died five years ago. This is in fact Franklin Graham who I know nothing about, but his name is right there in the url

Franklin Graham is Billy Graham's son. wm referred to Franklin and his father.

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« Reply #488 on: January 25, 2023, 07:36:20 AM »
Okay fair. Now I don't know why either one of you are bringing up the dad. It's entirely irrelevant to an endorsement discussion. Wm seems to be trying to imply that both grahams secretly endorse trump, one from beyond the grave.

A choice not to endorse is neither a secret endorsement, or a secret opposition. It is simply abstaining, which only matters of you normally don't abstain under similar circumstances.

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« Reply #489 on: January 26, 2023, 09:50:23 AM »
Most of the RNC do not want Trump.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/rnc-remade-trump-backs-away-133652127.html

Why don't they support him. They think he is a loser. And he is.

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« Reply #490 on: January 26, 2023, 11:06:46 AM »
And yet I didn't see one in the article willing to risk the member trump RINO label by saying they won't support him. They cower behind "we'll see" and "there are lots of options". And when his mob of proud boys, isolationists, misogynists, racists, tax dodgers, and Russians get him nominated again, every last one of them will smile and introduce him at their campaign events, and hug the flag with him. Just like 2016. Just like 2020.

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« Reply #491 on: January 27, 2023, 09:55:37 AM »
Trump says the Trump Organization can not be sued since it is just a Marketing Brand shorhand and not a real company.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/donald-trump-argues-wild-court-133149474.html

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« Reply #492 on: January 27, 2023, 10:05:02 AM »
So the suite being brought by Capitol Police officers against Trump can go forward.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-fails-persuade-judge-throw-001548262.html

Trump tried to argue, again, that his actions were that of President, and so he is immune from prosectution.  Again that argument was rejected.

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« Reply #493 on: January 31, 2023, 11:48:59 AM »
I finally realized that Trump is actually Schrödinger's Trump. He is and he is not President of the Trump Organization, which might be or might not be a real organizan.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-even-more-legal-hot-161519737.html

I think all of his lies under oath are finally coming back to bite him. I am not sure if he realized that what is said under oath in one case can be used as evidence in another case against him.

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« Reply #494 on: January 31, 2023, 01:13:35 PM »
Trump became a figure head of the 'company' in 2008. As a businessman almost lost everything but as a 'brand' was able to remain the figure head.
So indeed he is the Schrodinger's cat and can claim that he is OR is not in charge. The 'real' Trump does and does not exist. The emperor lost his cloths and has always play the role of the snake/scorpion in the  snake and the woman (scorpion and the frog) story he liked to tell.

That his followers can't see that he has no 'clothes' and plays the role of the snake through out most of his carrier is mind boggling to me. I wonder if when the say such things as ' I like hime because 'he's like me' - 'I can identify with him' what they really are saying about themselves.   

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« Reply #495 on: January 31, 2023, 08:29:58 PM »
They see it. They just think it's great that he's naked in all his pussy grabbing, lying, cheating glory. They admire and want to become as shameless as he is. They long to shake the last vestiges of kindness, fairness, and ethics that cling tenuously to their soul.

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« Reply #496 on: February 03, 2023, 12:38:00 PM »
Well the  Trump Organization (which Trump said in a legal filing does not exist) paid the $1.6 million fine from the criminal fraud conviction. 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-org-pays-1-6-161541040.html

if you were going to appeal the ruling, why would you pay?

So can we put the rest who is the head of a crime family?

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« Reply #497 on: February 05, 2023, 10:32:26 AM »

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« Reply #498 on: February 05, 2023, 04:46:36 PM »
Trump's suit against the Washington Post gets dismissed by the judge.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-2020-campaign-suit-against-225605299.html

of the two articles Trump sued on, one was an opinion piece. What lawyer sues over an opinion piece?  A bad one.

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« Reply #499 on: February 05, 2023, 08:18:05 PM »
What's scary is how many trump supporters would have danced in the streets if he sent agents or even the military to shut down the Washington Post.