We gotta talk about Uncle Joe

[NobleHunter]

Given you ignore that Trump is a serial adulterer, I don't see why Tom couldn't ignore Biden's plagiarism (not that I think he is).

[TheDrake]

Trump said these thousands of people were cheering in Jersey City, not the middle east. Everyone acknowledges that Tehran and Kabul had cheering crowds. Why is this important? Because Trump was trying to whip up anger against American Muslims, who were by and large just as horrified as other Americans. With a bald faced lie. That when he was confronted with the error of his statement, he doubled down on it.

[wmLambert]

Given you ignore that Trump is a serial adulterer, I don't see why Tom couldn't ignore Biden's plagiarism (not that I think he is).

I ignore nothing. I do recognize the difference between mutually accepted divorces or separations (in which the divorcee still supports the ex-husband as a friend and political leader) and perverts, who have no shame, nor any true decency.

As for you not believing Biden's plagiarism, please do a little research. Look up:
Biden Admits Plagiarism in School But Says It Was Not 'Malevolent. ...In 1987, Biden ended his first presidential campaign amid multiple accusations (admitted) of plagiarism of Neil Kinnock, a British politician. ...Stolen speeches from Kennedy, and others.

Look here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSUPfnYdXFU

[TheDrake]

Do you have trouble with reading comprehension? Nobody has denied that Biden plagiarized. It has been suggested that it can be overlooked, just like overlooking the flaws of your orange god.

[wmLambert]

Trump said these thousands of people were cheering in Jersey City, not the middle east. Everyone acknowledges that Tehran and Kabul had cheering crowds. Why is this important? Because Trump was trying to whip up anger against American Muslims, who were by and large just as horrified as other Americans. With a bald faced lie. That when he was confronted with the error of his statement, he doubled down on it.

We all saw there were images of people cheering the towers’ collapse in parts of the Middle East and the local news were playing them without adequately identifying exactly where they were. I know there were such celebrations in Dearborn, Michigan, the largest Middle East population in the USA. (Bigotted Henry Ford brought in workers from there who would accept slave wages, so he wouldn't need to pay Blacks, and their descendants are still here.) Trump specifically said the celebrants were from the side of New Jersey with a heavy Middle East population (not Jersey City) - and there were internet rumors of such celebrations in Patterson - but the police played it down.

One thing about Trump, he doesn't make stuff up to bolster his legacy, like Biden does. Trump earned his money after a small stake by his father, the hard way. He took many projects being poorly run and did them right. There were NY politicians whose careers he saved by rescuing their dismal attempts at construction projects who still hate him for proving how bad they were at it.

[Tom]

Trump specifically said he saw those celebrations on television (once people pointed out that he wasn't in Jersey at the time, of course).
Following that claim, a number of different researchers reviewed every major cable and broadcast network telecast for up to two weeks after the attacks to find even one that depicted an American-based street celebration.

But, y'know, you're pretty sure you saw something similar in Dearborn, right?

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One thing about Trump, he doesn't make stuff up to bolster his legacy, like Biden does.

There are times I wonder whether you're really mentally ill, or are just expertly trolling.

[yossarian22c]

...

One thing about Trump, he doesn't make stuff up to bolster his legacy, like Biden does. Trump earned his money after a small stake by his father, the hard way.
...

Could you define "small"?

From the NY times investigation of Trump's finances.

They poked holes in his go-to talking point about the $1 million loan, citing evidence that he actually got $14 million. They told how Fred Trump once helped his son make a bond payment on an Atlantic City casino by buying $3.5 million in casino chips.
...
By age 3, Mr. Trump was earning $200,000 a year in today’s dollars from his father’s empire. He was a millionaire by age 8. By the time he was 17, his father had given him part ownership of a 52-unit apartment building. Soon after Mr. Trump graduated from college, he was receiving the equivalent of $1 million a year from his father. The money increased with the years, to more than $5 million annually in his 40s and 50s.
...
He made Donald not just his salaried employee but also his property manager, landlord, banker and consultant. He gave him loan after loan, many never repaid. He provided money for his car, money for his employees, money to buy stocks, money for his first Manhattan offices and money to renovate those offices. He gave him three trust funds. He gave him shares in multiple partnerships. He gave him $10,000 Christmas checks. He gave him laundry revenue from his buildings.
...
The biggest payday he ever got from his father came long after Fred Trump’s death. It happened quietly, without the usual Trumpian news conference, on May 4, 2004, when Mr. Trump and his siblings sold off the empire their father had spent 70 years assembling with the dream that it would never leave his family.

Donald Trump’s cut: $177.3 million, or $236.2 million in today’s dollars.

So what is your definition of small again?

[wmLambert]

...I wonder whether you're really mentally ill, or are just expertly trolling.

This from the Troll king?

Yes, we all saw images of celebratory Middle Easterners, but I doubt your "different researchers" really wanted to know anything that would prevent them from adding another spurious "lie" to their dishonest list of Trump lies. Since almost all those lies have been proved out in Trump's favor, without your "researchers" ever apologizing for their disinformation, you do not have much credibility yourself. I won't assume mental illness on your part - but you are arguing for those in the Biden Crime Family, as if there is no evil intent there - so you have far more to answer for than many others.

[wmLambert]

...So what is your definition of small again?

Small as in stakes in order to start a business empire not dependent on stealing from the government trough.

BTW: you make it sound like Trump was a college drop-out who got an over large allowance for just living at home. Actually, Trump was a powerful money-maker who contributed to their family wealth - unlike Biden, whom you guys refuse to address.

Please look at Biden and his wealth and explain where it all came from. Forget Hunter, his comeuppance is on the way - and much of it will land in "The Big Guy's" lap, neh?

[TheDrake]

and there's no cell phone footage, no security camera footage, unless you happened to film the Dearborn Muslim Riot that you witnessed? Did Soros manage to delete all the evidence?

[Tom]

I suppose you're to be forgiven for not knowing the extent to which Trump's "thousands of thousands of celebrating Muslims" lie was researched, but it's worth noting that dozens of research organizations -- including several conservative ones -- tried to track details down. Insofar as there are "sides" here, both "sides" have a vested interest in actually discovering the truth of this claim, and no one has been able to corroborate any celebrations consisting of more than a handful of small, isolated groups (of around five to fifteen people), several of which turned out to be nothing more nefarious than someone's birthday party. (There were a couple cops in Dearborn who claimed to have been called to investigate a large rooftop celebration at a local mosque, only to turn away when they found the door on the ground floor locked, but since there's no police report or even a dispatch record to back that claim up and one of the cops involved has a couple, um, problematic tattoos, I'm comfortable with leaving that in the "hearsay" column.)

Now, if Trump had said, "I was listening to talk radio," he might have been telling the truth, as a handful conservative radio shows did falsely claim to be broadcasting audio of Muslim celebrations of the towers falling. But that wasn't his claim; he claimed to have seen thousands and thousands of Muslims celebrating in the streets of Jersey City, and no such footage ever aired.

Is he crazy? Is he senile? Was he misinformed by his handlers? Why do you believe he chose to lie about this?

[yossarian22c]

...So what is your definition of small again?

Small as in stakes in order to start a business empire not dependent on stealing from the government trough.

BTW: you make it sound like Trump was a college drop-out who got an over large allowance for just living at home. Actually, Trump was a powerful money-maker who contributed to their family wealth - unlike Biden, whom you guys refuse to address.
...

Okay, guess you consider a couple hundred million "small." Trump would have been out on the street begging for change if he dad didn't repeatedly bail him out. He and his businesses had multiple bankruptcies. Look at his reason for not paying taxes for a decade (a 900 million dollar loss in a single year). His other multiple business failures and scams (Trump U).

Hunter got rich trading on his dads name. Biden has a couple million from he and his wife working for 60 years and some book deals.

[Wayward Son]

According to Forbes in 2021, Joe Biden's net worth is about $8 million, which includes $2.5 million in pensions and real estate.

Which isn't really that much.  A modest house in Los Angeles is worth about a million dollars these days, and I know lower-middle class people with $1 million in their 401k.  I would classify him at upper-middle class at best, as far as net assets are concerned.

The same Forbes article estimates Donald Trump's net worth at $2400 million. So he's a pauper compared to Trump.

If you doubt Biden's numbers, you can review his 2021 tax return, which he released.  If you want to review the tax return of "the most transparent President ever," you can go jump in a lake. He won't show you anything. 

[TheDrake]

As usual, the transcript doesn't do Trump any favors.

GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: You raised some eyebrows yesterday with comments you made at your latest rally. I want to show them, relating to 9/11.

VIDEO CLIP OF DONALD TRUMP, IN WHICH HE SAYS: “Hey, I watched when the World Trade Center came tumbling down. And I watched in Jersey City, New Jersey, where thousands and thousands of people were cheering as that building was coming down. Thousands of people were cheering.”
STEPHANOPOULOS: “You know, the police say that didn’t happen and all those rumors have been on the Internet for some time. So did you misspeak yesterday?”

TRUMP: “It did happen. I saw it.”

STEPHANOPOULOS: “You saw that…”

TRUMP: It was on television. I saw it.

STEPHANOPOULOS: “…with your own eyes?”

TRUMP: “George, it did happen.”

STEPHANOPOULOS: “Police say it didn’t happen.”

TRUMP: “There were people that were cheering on the other side of New Jersey, where you have large Arab populations. They were cheering as the World Trade Center came down. I know it might be not politically correct for you to talk about it, but there were people cheering as that building came down — as those buildings came down. And that tells you something. It was well covered at the time, George. Now, I know they don’t like to talk about it, but it was well covered at the time. There were people over in New Jersey that were watching it, a heavy Arab population, that were cheering as the buildings came down. Not good.”

Trump SPECIFIED Jersey City. Not some random part of New Jersey, besides which there were no parts of NJ with thousands of celebrating Muslims in the streets. So the police were lying? And somebody hid all this well-covered footage?

It might have been plausible for Trump to say, "I'll bet those dirty muslims were celebrating in their living rooms." But that is not what he said.

[Crunch]

White House COVID Coordinator: "The president is doing better. He slept well last night, he ate his breakfast and lunch — fully! He actually showed me his plate...I did see an empty plate with crumbs."

Well, lookit that. Uncle Joe managed to clean his plate! Quite the accomplishment. I suppose they gave him his pudding cup and let him touch a few under age girls as a reward.

[TheDrake]

White House COVID Coordinator: "The president is doing better. He slept well last night, he ate his breakfast and lunch — fully! He actually showed me his plate...I did see an empty plate with crumbs."

Well, lookit that. Uncle Joe managed to clean his plate! Quite the accomplishment. I suppose they gave him his pudding cup and let him touch a few under age girls as a reward.

I mean he doesn't have the strength yet to throw his dinner at the wall.

[Wayward Son]

And he doesn't use much ketchup, so it wouldn't have made much of a mess. 

[msquared]

Crunch, as some one who has had Covid and lost 18 pounds in about 6 days because of issues due to the illness, being able to eat well is a good sign. Each persons experience with Covid is different.

And as to Trumps divorces, to say that they were mutually accepted.  Maybe. What was accepted?  That Trump had had many affairs?  I mean I guess his vow to stay loyal to his wife (take 3 times and broken at least 3 times) means nothing to you.. Trump wanted younger, more beautiful eye candy. 

Do you accept as truth that he has had affairs while married? That he is an oathbreaker?

[wmLambert]

...touch a few under age girls as a reward.

Y'know, Crunch, isn't it informative to see how the Dem apologists here spend so much energy trying to derail a thread about Joe, by attacking anyone who does talk about him?

Newsmax had a Geriatrics specialist on  who spoke about Joe's symptoms. He's a sad and sick elder placed in a position of stress - and apparently abused by those around him who need him as their surrogate. They can't admit he needs help because they fear Harris stepping in. She evidently cannot take direction from her handlers (note all the resignations from her staff) and the rumors of her antipathy to Ron Klain and the rest of Biden's handlers makes her even more of someone to be avoided. Can you imagine the cleaning house she would do if she grabbed the reins? Honestly, as shallow and unintelligent as she appears, she would probably do a far better job than the current crew, especially since she just has to undo what they have done to make things better.

In my entire lifetime, I have never seen an older leader like Trump in such good health and sharpness of mind - as opposed to Joe Biden, who doesn't even know how to control his own crime family.

The doctor talking about Joe's clean plate was walked back a bit by some Dem apologist who talked about those with Covid being unable to eat well, so talking about his licking the platter clean was a positive statement his doctor made. I'm with you - I think the doc wanted to help Biden somehow, but didn't have the courage to do more than quip around the edges.

[msquared]

Wm, no comment on the fact that Trump is an oath breaker?

[wmLambert]

Wm, no comment on the fact that Trump is an oath breaker?

Sure. Here's some: Ivana was married four times, and according to her books, "For Love Alone," "The Best Is Yet to Come: Coping With Divorce and Enjoying Life Again," and "Raising Trump." Her own words tell us that she was happy with her life and her decisions, and everything worked out for the best. Marla Maples was also someone who was sorry for her participation in causing the Ivana divorce. She also wrote about it. Ivana's first marriage, before Trump, was ostensibly to legally get into Canada and the USA. Evidently, you are the only one really obsessed or concerned with how things worked out for them all. Ivana's last wedding was held at Mar-a-Lago. There is a sentiment that the best ending for a divorce is mutual hatred, but often that is not the best result. Somehow, these people managed to have happy lives after their divorces with little regret. the worst thing it seems, was how the Complicit media and entire Democrat fantasy world ganged up on Melania for sheer spite. Forget the Trump marriages, and explain the resentment and maliciousness inflicted on a good woman.

[msquared]

So no comment on his being an oath breaker?  Just a justification that every one turned out happy in the end?  Of course they were happy. They got millions as a settlement and were not married to a person who ran around on them.  Are you saying that his first two wives would have been less happy still married to him and with an intact family?

I am not talking about divorce.  I am talking about adultery.  You keep avoiding my question by brining the wives lives after the divorces into it.

Divorce is a legal action.

I am talking about Trump not caring about a Vow made to God and his wife to remain faithful to her during their marriage.  He did not.  You are not able to get away from these facts. He had numerous affairs while married. Some women, say Hillary Clinton, are able to work their way past that. Others, like Trumps first two wives, were not.

[TheDrake]

I am not talking about divorce.  I am talking about adultery. 

This. Remember how horrible it was that Bill Clinton cheated on Hillary? Try to look for some parallels.

[wmLambert]

So no comment on his being an oath breaker?

No more than for any family that has problems. I wasn't there, and neither were you. As i said, Ivana's own words were that it was all for the best. I don't know exactly what she meant by that, and neither do you. Your focus on Trump's family is weird when Clinton and the entire Biden family are so dysfunctional, and yet no Democrat seems to care. Somehow, with all the history, Trump's family has survived and prospered, while all still staying friends.

[msquared]

So you are fine with Trump being an oat breaker.  So the oath he took as President has no meaning to him since he is a known oath breaker.

My focus is on Trump since you seem to hold him up as some type of paragon of Christian values.  I was very surprised when Hillary did not divorce Bill after he left office. I was sure she would, since I thought it would boost her standings with women. Biden's family problems are due to a son who may be a criminal but has nothing to do with breaking his oath to either wife.

You are unwilling to admit that Trump is an oath breaker when the evidence is right there.

[wmLambert]

...You are unwilling to admit that Trump is an oath breaker when the evidence is right there.

No, we all wonder why you want to derail a Biden thread by disparaging Trump.

Please reference Biden's alleged lies about Hunter and his felonies/treason. If there is anyone unwilling to admit anything it is you about the Biden crime family. The evidence really is right there.