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LetterRip

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Mistrial (Hung Jury) in Officer Slager shooting of Walter Scott
« on: December 05, 2016, 07:04:32 PM »
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A Charleston, South Carolina, judge declared a mistrial Monday in the case of a white South Carolina police officer on trial for the video-taped shooting of Walter Scott, a 50-year-old black man. The video was secretly taken last year by a passerby, and it has been viewed online millions of times. This week, after four days of deliberations, the 12-member jury announced it was hopelessly deadlocked.

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/12/mistrial-declared-in-murder-trial-of-cop-filmed-shooting-fleeing-suspect/

DJQuag

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Re: Mistrial (Hung Jury) in Officer Slager shooting of Walter Scott
« Reply #1 on: December 05, 2016, 07:12:31 PM »
I can't tell, is this the one where he dropped his tazer next to the corpse and claimed they were trying to take his tazer?

Either way, this is messed up. Shot an unarmed man in the back. Jurors really need to start looking at cops as if they were gang members instead of demigods.

Pete at Home

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Re: Mistrial (Hung Jury) in Officer Slager shooting of Walter Scott
« Reply #2 on: December 05, 2016, 07:24:05 PM »
Some are one, some the other, some both and some neither.  Before BLM shat on the issue, we were very close to getting cameras on cops. 

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Re: Mistrial (Hung Jury) in Officer Slager shooting of Walter Scott
« Reply #3 on: December 05, 2016, 11:23:15 PM »
This was one of the relatively few recent cases in which I thought there was virtually no mitigating circumstance with which to explain the cop's actions. I am at a loss - but then again, this was 1 in 12 persons who could not be persuaded while the other 11 were on board with a guilty verdict. Dunno what was in the 12th guys head, but then again I think 1 in 12 people think the moon is made of cheese.

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Re: Mistrial (Hung Jury) in Officer Slager shooting of Walter Scott
« Reply #4 on: December 06, 2016, 09:19:22 AM »
The moon isn't made of cheese? Whats next Santa isn't real.

Anyone else getting the feeling that a very small percentage of the population has a disproportionate influence?

TheDeamon

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Re: Mistrial (Hung Jury) in Officer Slager shooting of Walter Scott
« Reply #5 on: December 06, 2016, 09:53:58 AM »
Anyone else getting the feeling that a very small percentage of the population has a disproportionate influence?

You did see the comment that spurred the massive derail in another thread? Where it was observed that according to few population surveys that have been done, Homosexuals likely make up only 2 to 4% of the population. But look at how the media treats their issues. You'd think they were one of the largest minority groups out there, when they're actually one of the smallest.

Otherwise, welcome to discussions that have been had in the Conservative Talk (radio) space for years. Not that many of the arch-conservatives aren't the same story, just on the other side of the spectrum. Although I'm getting a good laugh out of "pragmatic Rush Limbaugh" since I started tuning in again post-election. He's not fully enamored with everything Trump is already doing, but walks through the why's and hows of his personal hurdle jumping routing to get to where he's going. At least he's being reasonably honest about it. Hannity is useless.

Glenn Beck and Mark Levin are looking to be an entertaining set likely to be playing "loyal opposition" to borrow from the Brits, with respect to Trump. They really don't like a number of things Trump is proposing to do, but they do support some aspects of what he's setting out to do.

But then, this also is further demonstrating claims that have been made in the past about the conservative movement been much more independently minded than their Liberal/Progressive counterparts. Obama was just so awesome, it was nearly impossible to find a Liberal talking head who'd say anything negative about him. Meanwhile conservative talk radio already has issues with "their guy" just like many of them had issues with Bush even as early as the day he took office.

TheDrake

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Re: Mistrial (Hung Jury) in Officer Slager shooting of Walter Scott
« Reply #6 on: December 06, 2016, 01:53:26 PM »
There are many times liberal talking heads criticized Obama. Usually because he didn't go far enough on things like Healthcare, the cockup of the website launch for the same, failure to close Guantanamo, continuing spy operations domestically... The matter of degree could be debated, but I couldn't characterize it as "nearly impossible to find".


TheDeamon

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Re: Mistrial (Hung Jury) in Officer Slager shooting of Walter Scott
« Reply #7 on: December 06, 2016, 05:00:15 PM »
Well, there are Conservative talking heads saying he's probably going too far on several things already. ;)

cherrypoptart

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Re: Mistrial (Hung Jury) in Officer Slager shooting of Walter Scott
« Reply #8 on: December 07, 2016, 04:04:23 AM »
Are there circumstances in which it should be legal for the police to shoot a fleeing suspect they don't think is armed?

TheDeamon

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Re: Mistrial (Hung Jury) in Officer Slager shooting of Walter Scott
« Reply #9 on: December 07, 2016, 08:31:35 AM »
Are there circumstances in which it should be legal for the police to shoot a fleeing suspect they don't think is armed?

Hard to think of one, not to say it's impossible, just not probable.

Of course, we'd need to define "fleeing" as well, just because their back is turned doesn't mean they're fleeing. There might have been another weapon or something else the officer deemed "dangerous" on the other side of the suspect relative to the officer. So while the suspect is presently unarmed, the suspect just turned and is headed in the right direction to become armed.

Edit: That isn't to say that is what happened in this particular case, I'm speaking in hypothetical scenarios in general here.

D.W.

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Re: Mistrial (Hung Jury) in Officer Slager shooting of Walter Scott
« Reply #10 on: December 07, 2016, 10:49:35 AM »
Not without getting into action movie type scenarios where if the suspect escapes there is an immediate threat of loss of life or serious injury to others.

TheDrake

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Re: Mistrial (Hung Jury) in Officer Slager shooting of Walter Scott
« Reply #11 on: December 07, 2016, 10:53:08 AM »
The general standard for shooting a fleeing felon as i understand it:

"the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious physical injury to the officer or others."

In this case, I can't understand why a reasonable course of action wouldn't be to call for backup, establish a perimeter, and catch the guy later. He had no weapon, the disputed taser was a model that couldn't be used again without reloading, and there was no reason to believe he was a violent felon who would kill somebody if he managed to evade.