Satan's elves

[Pete at Home]

 I'm curious how many of the Democrats most angry about Trump are willing to admit that they crossed party lines to vote for him in the primary to put him on the Republican ticket. C'Mon. Stand up and take credit.

[Kasandra]

Using standard partisan campaign logic for this cycle, if no one admits to it would that mean that it must have happened even more than some people suspect?

[Pete at Home]

I am the wrong person to ask that question

No fumo standard campaign logic.

If you take some time and think about it, my question doesn't even make sense within any campaign framework

[rightleft22]

Maybe the question should be how many will admit that they just didn't vote
I would not be surprised if at some level many on the left though they despised him wanted a Trump win. Many of the organisation that you might have mobilized didn't and instead watched it happen. Which I think has historical precedence for how men like Trump gain power

[TheDeamon]

Maybe the question should be how many will admit that they just didn't vote
I would not be surprised if at some level many on the left though they despised him wanted a Trump win. Many of the organisation that you might have mobilized didn't and instead watched it happen. Which I think has historical precedence for how men like Trump gain power

They stood aside and did nothing at first because they hoped he'd repeat what happened in 2012 with Romney and hoped that he would "critically damage" the other Republican Candidates and render them unable to compete effectively in the General Election on a list of issues. Think that it was unlikely he would actually be the nominee.

Then once they realized he would BE the nominee, it was too late, but that was ok, because they thought he'd be trivial for the Democratic candidate to dismantle and defeat. Except they had Hillary.

[TheDeamon]

Using standard partisan campaign logic for this cycle, if no one admits to it would that mean that it must have happened even more than some people suspect?

Oh, I'm sure it has happened. Although that usually just gets used as the partisan basis for moving to a closed primary system. It's what happened in my home state back in 2010-ish IIRC. 2008 was the last primary election I voted in because I refuse to register as a member of a political party. Although I'll admit I'm a Republican leaning independent, and pretty much always have been, which is why I participated in their Primaries(well, that and in many practical ways, the Republican Primary often is the deciding election for many/most seats, as the Republicans dominate the General Election in my area usually).

But they said I'm no longer welcome at that vote, so I stay out of it. If they choose poorly, well, they find out why I say I'm an independent. 

[Pete at Home]

squeezed out, overshadowed, marginalized, ignored.”

http://www.toledoblade.com/Politics/2016/12/18/After-Ohio-loss-shocked-Democrats-ask-What-now-The-Democratic-Party-has-some-soul-searching-to-do-Marcy-Kaptur-says.html

[yossarian22c]

I wish a few million more D's would have switched over and voted for Trump instead of Clinton during the primaries.  Then we could of had a Trump/Sanders election and I think that would have turned out much differently.

Although I think the closeness of the democratic primary minimized the number of people that actually "strategically" voted in this way.  If the race had been a blowout more people might have, but while not quite being a nail biter Clinton/Sanders was close enough that I doubt many ardent Clinton supporters voted in the Republican primary.

[Pete at Home]

I wish a few million more D's would have switched over and voted for Trump instead of Clinton during the primaries.  Then we could of had a Trump/Sanders election and I think that would have turned out much differently.

Although I think the closeness of the democratic primary minimized the number of people that actually "strategically" voted in this way.  If the race had been a blowout more people might have, but while not quite being a nail biter Clinton/Sanders was close enough that I doubt many ardent Clinton supporters voted in the Republican primary.

Towards the end of the primary, I agree.  But Trump's key victories occurred early in the primaries, while Sanders wasn't a threat to Clinton until later in the Primaries.  There's all sorts of antidemocratic nonsense that occurs because of the state-by-state primary farce.

[Kasandra]

Thread upgrade to Satan's Imps:

WASHINGTON — House Republicans, overriding their top leaders, voted on Monday to significantly curtail the power of an independent ethics office set up in 2008 in the aftermath of corruption scandals that sent three members of Congress to jail.

The move to effectively kill the Office of Congressional Ethics was not made public until late Monday, when Representative Robert W. Goodlatte, Republican of Virginia and chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, announced that the House Republican Conference had approved the change. There was no advance notice or debate on the measure.

The surprising vote came on the eve of the start of a new session of Congress, where emboldened Republicans are ready to push an ambitious agenda on everything from health care to infrastructure, issues that will be the subject of intense lobbying from corporate interests. The House Republicans’ move would take away both power and independence from an investigative body, and give lawmakers more control over internal inquiries.

Republicans are getting to run riot over not only all Americans but indulge themselves big-time in the reflected golden glow of their Great Indulger in the White House.

[rightleft22]

When you get to tell it like it is (how it is)  you don't need ethics to  "drain the swamp"

[TheDeamon]

When you get to tell it like it is (how it is)  you don't need ethics to  "drain the swamp"

Trump evidently tweeted against the move?

[Kasandra]

When you get to tell it like it is (how it is)  you don't need ethics to  "drain the swamp"

Trump evidently tweeted against the move?

Apparently so.  Kind of surprising, but he does like to keep his monopoly.