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Re: A Message from the President of the United States, Donald J. Trump:
« Reply #800 on: June 02, 2020, 12:57:51 AM »
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In America we need more prayer, not less.

This from the same guy who bragged about grabbing women by the pussy.

He didn't actually say that. I guess I finally hit my limit on how often I can see that claim come and go not address it.

The context of the quote is that due to being Rich and Famous, he could grab a woman by the pussy, and get away with it. I imagine part of that quote also included an additional (unaddressed) context in regards to the particulars of the venue and the ability to "pick a woman."

I mean seriously, prior to #metoo, we had "party like a rock star" and the well known "groupie" thing going on where the groupies were well known for being down for practically anything.

So in that context, he likely did have access to venues where if he wanted to, he probably could do exactly that. But that's a far cry from being able to walk down a public street and grab a random woman "by the pussy." Or an admission that he ever actually did so, just that he was aware of having the ability. (And likely knowing people who did just that -- like Mr. Lolita Express, and one of his frequent passengers PotUS#42)

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Re: A Message from the President of the United States, Donald J. Trump:
« Reply #801 on: June 02, 2020, 07:44:52 AM »
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If you don't dominate, you're wasting your time. They're going to run over you. You are going to look like a bunch of jerks. You have to dominate.

Perfect deescalation advice from the president.  ::)

It’s been 7 nights of escalating violence. The soft, loving, approach is only encouraging the rioters. Establishing law and order is the exact right thing to do before more are killed.

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« Reply #802 on: June 02, 2020, 07:51:16 AM »
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So in that context, he likely did have access to venues where if he wanted to, he probably could do exactly that. But that's a far cry from being able to walk down a public street and grab a random woman "by the pussy." Or an admission that he ever actually did so, just that he was aware of having the ability. (And likely knowing people who did just that -- like Mr. Lolita Express, and one of his frequent passengers PotUS#42)

Since he doesn't grab women by the pussy on the street I guess it's not so bad then, maybe not worth holding it against him.  Let's ask the 25 women who have claimed he sexually harassed them or the undressed teenage girls in the competition changing rooms how they feel about his sexual empowerment.  He didn't do anything to them on the street, either.

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Re: A Message from the President of the United States, Donald J. Trump:
« Reply #803 on: June 02, 2020, 07:54:19 AM »
Like Tara Reade?

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« Reply #804 on: June 02, 2020, 09:11:37 AM »
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If you don't dominate, you're wasting your time. They're going to run over you. You are going to look like a bunch of jerks. You have to dominate.

Perfect deescalation advice from the president.  ::)

It’s been 7 nights of escalating violence. The soft, loving, approach is only encouraging the rioters. Establishing law and order is the exact right thing to do before more are killed.

Well it's way less people than got killed by the regular flu. But sure, take the same approach as the Chinese communist party did against violent protestors in Hong Kong.

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Re: A Message from the President of the United States, Donald J. Trump:
« Reply #805 on: June 02, 2020, 09:23:11 AM »
And Trump declares himself a friend to peaceful protesters as he has riot police forcibly clear an area for him to have a photo op.

He is a sick, sick man.

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Re: A Message from the President of the United States, Donald J. Trump:
« Reply #806 on: June 02, 2020, 09:34:23 AM »
Like Tara Reade?

You have decided that she is telling the truth.  Do you think the women who have accused Trump are telling the truth?

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« Reply #807 on: June 02, 2020, 09:37:39 AM »
And Trump declares himself a friend to peaceful protesters as he has riot police forcibly clear an area for him to have a photo op.

He is a sick, sick man.

That is exactly the kind of tyranny that the supposed 2A defenders claim it is to protect against.  Why aren't those supporters rallying to the side of those protesters to defend their Constitutional rights?  Why aren't they out protesting against the police murder of an unarmed civilian?  Why are they never out to defend anybody but themselves?  Oathkeepers, this is a perfect opportunity for you to win more people to your side of the argument.

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Re: A Message from the President of the United States, Donald J. Trump:
« Reply #808 on: June 02, 2020, 09:42:50 AM »
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If you don't dominate, you're wasting your time. They're going to run over you. You are going to look like a bunch of jerks. You have to dominate.

Perfect deescalation advice from the president.  ::)

It’s been 7 nights of escalating violence. The soft, loving, approach is only encouraging the rioters. Establishing law and order is the exact right thing to do before more are killed.

Well it's way less people than got killed by the regular flu. But sure, take the same approach as the Chinese communist party did against violent protestors in Hong Kong.
::)

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Re: A Message from the President of the United States, Donald J. Trump:
« Reply #809 on: June 02, 2020, 10:04:07 AM »
https://www.npr.org/2020/06/01/867532070/trumps-unannounced-church-visit-angers-church-officials

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The plaza between St. John's Church and Lafayette Park was full of people nonviolently protesting police brutality late Monday afternoon when U.S. Park Police and National Guard troops, with the use of tear gas, suddenly started pushing them away for no apparent reason.

And then it became clear. President Trump wanted to walk from the White House through the park to the Episcopal church. Camera crews scrambled to keep up with him as he strode through the park, followed by his daughter Ivanka and her husband Jared Kushner, along with Attorney General William Barr and other administration officials.

Violently dispersing peaceful protesters so you can take a stroll. So SAD! 

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« Reply #810 on: June 02, 2020, 10:10:00 AM »
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So in that context, he likely did have access to venues where if he wanted to, he probably could do exactly that. But that's a far cry from being able to walk down a public street and grab a random woman "by the pussy." Or an admission that he ever actually did so, just that he was aware of having the ability. (And likely knowing people who did just that -- like Mr. Lolita Express, and one of his frequent passengers PotUS#42)

Since he doesn't grab women by the pussy on the street I guess it's not so bad then, maybe not worth holding it against him.  Let's ask the 25 women who have claimed he sexually harassed them or the undressed teenage girls in the competition changing rooms how they feel about his sexual empowerment.  He didn't do anything to them on the street, either.

So it's ok to tell a lie about someone so long as they've (probably) done other bad things? They're bad anyhow, so who cares? You should not be standing up for lies, even against men you despise.

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Re: A Message from the President of the United States, Donald J. Trump:
« Reply #811 on: June 02, 2020, 10:15:02 AM »
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If you don't dominate, you're wasting your time. They're going to run over you. You are going to look like a bunch of jerks. You have to dominate.

Perfect deescalation advice from the president.  ::)

It’s been 7 nights of escalating violence. The soft, loving, approach is only encouraging the rioters. Establishing law and order is the exact right thing to do before more are killed.

Actually where I live the police actively took a less confrontational approach with the protesters and it was followed by the first peaceful night in a 3 days.

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Re: A Message from the President of the United States, Donald J. Trump:
« Reply #812 on: June 02, 2020, 11:02:47 AM »
Trump Jr shares 'fake news', white supremacist's tweet, the author masking itself as Antifa
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A Twitter account that tweeted a call to violence and claimed to be representing the position of "Antifa" was in fact created by a known white supremacist group, Twitter said Monday. The company removed the account.

Before it emerged the account was run by white supremacists, Donald Trump Jr., President Donald Trump's son, pointed his 2.8 million Instagram followers to the account as an example how dangerous Antifa is.

"This account violated our platform manipulation and spam policy, specifically the creation of fake accounts," a Twitter spokesperson said in a statement. "We took action after the account sent a Tweet inciting violence and broke the Twitter Rules."

Although the account only had a few hundred followers, it is an example of white supremacists seeking to inflame tensions in the United States by posing as left-wing activists online.

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« Reply #813 on: June 02, 2020, 11:07:24 AM »
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Although the account only had a few hundred followers, it is an example of white supremacists seeking to inflame tensions in the United States by posing as left-wing activists online.

One of whom was Don Jr?  If so, he's exposing himself for what he really is, no different than his father.

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« Reply #814 on: June 02, 2020, 12:05:56 PM »
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So in that context, he likely did have access to venues where if he wanted to, he probably could do exactly that. But that's a far cry from being able to walk down a public street and grab a random woman "by the pussy." Or an admission that he ever actually did so, just that he was aware of having the ability. (And likely knowing people who did just that -- like Mr. Lolita Express, and one of his frequent passengers PotUS#42)

Since he doesn't grab women by the pussy on the street I guess it's not so bad then, maybe not worth holding it against him.  Let's ask the 25 women who have claimed he sexually harassed them or the undressed teenage girls in the competition changing rooms how they feel about his sexual empowerment.  He didn't do anything to them on the street, either.

So it's ok to tell a lie about someone so long as they've (probably) done other bad things? They're bad anyhow, so who cares? You should not be standing up for lies, even against men you despise.

Except it wasn't really a lie, Fenring.  Aris' exact quote is:

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This from the same guy who bragged about grabbing women by the pussy.

He said nothing about "being able to walk down a public street and grab a random woman."  So that part is an exaggeration, at least as far as Aris' statement goes.

And don't forget, many if not most men who believe that "women want it" are exaggerating to themselves, too.  A majority of the time women who "want it" only tolerate it, for a variety of reasons.  The men who brag about the women "wanting it" are just lying to themselves to justify their boorish behavior.

So when Trump brags about being aware of having the ability to grab women by the p*ssy, it is doubtless because he is an egotistical a**hole who believes that it is his right and privilege as a rich male to have women want him to touch them in their intimate places, just for fun.  I mean, would you accept your minister saying something like that? ;)

Just because he may not believe he can touch any woman at any time there doesn't make him that much less of a pig.  And doesn't make Aris' statement a lie.

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Re: A Message from the President of the United States, Donald J. Trump:
« Reply #815 on: June 02, 2020, 12:07:36 PM »
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If you don't dominate, you're wasting your time. They're going to run over you. You are going to look like a bunch of jerks. You have to dominate.

Perfect deescalation advice from the president.  ::)

It’s been 7 nights of escalating violence. The soft, loving, approach is only encouraging the rioters. Establishing law and order is the exact right thing to do before more are killed.

Well it's way less people than got killed by the regular flu. But sure, take the same approach as the Chinese communist party did against violent protestors in Hong Kong.
::)

How ironic, Crunch.  That is precisely how we feel about your post here. :D

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Re: A Message from the President of the United States, Donald J. Trump:
« Reply #816 on: June 02, 2020, 12:09:14 PM »
Like Tara Reade?

Why don't we start a thread comparing Biden's sexual accusers with Trump's.  Compare the quality of the accusations side-by-side.  I think that would be very enlightening, don't you? ;)

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Re: A Message from the President of the United States, Donald J. Trump:
« Reply #817 on: June 02, 2020, 12:17:28 PM »
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Although the account only had a few hundred followers, it is an example of white supremacists seeking to inflame tensions in the United States by posing as left-wing activists online.

One of whom was Don Jr?  If so, he's exposing himself for what he really is, no different than his father.

Unlike you, Don Jr. was rejecting the Identity Evropa fake tweet. It represented itself as Black Lives Matter. Are you saying Don Jr. is a member of BLM? These White Supremacists are probably all Democrats, anyway.

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Re: A Message from the President of the United States, Donald J. Trump:
« Reply #818 on: June 02, 2020, 12:23:50 PM »
Like Tara Reade?

Why don't we start a thread comparing Biden's sexual accusers with Trump's.  Compare the quality of the accusations side-by-side.  I think that would be very enlightening, don't you? ;)

Can we start with the phot evidence?

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Re: A Message from the President of the United States, Donald J. Trump:
« Reply #819 on: June 02, 2020, 12:36:10 PM »
https://www.npr.org/2020/06/01/867532070/trumps-unannounced-church-visit-angers-church-officials

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The plaza between St. John's Church and Lafayette Park was full of people nonviolently protesting police brutality late Monday afternoon when U.S. Park Police and National Guard troops, with the use of tear gas, suddenly started pushing them away for no apparent reason.

And then it became clear. President Trump wanted to walk from the White House through the park to the Episcopal church. Camera crews scrambled to keep up with him as he strode through the park, followed by his daughter Ivanka and her husband Jared Kushner, along with Attorney General William Barr and other administration officials.

Violently dispersing peaceful protesters so you can take a stroll. So SAD!
DC Religious leaders are not amused
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Last night he held a Bible in front of St John's Episcopal Church, just across the road from the White House. Today, he'll visit the Shrine to St John Paul II, also in Washington DC.

But US President Donald Trump's signalling of religious affiliation has not been welcomed by a range of clerics as the nation struggles to manage the twin challenges of a pandemic and widespread political protest.

The Episcopal Bishop of Washington, the Right Reverend Mariann Budde, said: "The president just used a Bible, the most sacred text of the Judeo-Christian tradition, and one of the churches of my diocese, without permission, as a backdrop for a message antithetical to the teachings of Jesus."

James Martin, a Jesuit priest and consultant to the Vatican's communications department, tweeted: "Let me be clear. This is revolting. The Bible is not a prop. A church is not a photo op. Religion is not a political tool. God is not your plaything."

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Re: A Message from the President of the United States, Donald J. Trump:
« Reply #820 on: June 02, 2020, 12:38:55 PM »
Can we start with the phot evidence?
Wow, there's photo evidence of Tara Reade being assaulted by Biden?  Yes, please!

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Re: A Message from the President of the United States, Donald J. Trump:
« Reply #821 on: June 02, 2020, 01:09:05 PM »
https://www.npr.org/2020/06/01/867532070/trumps-unannounced-church-visit-angers-church-officials
DC Religious leaders are not amused

Australia isn't amused either.

https://www.npr.org/2020/06/02/867705160/he-did-not-pray-fallout-grows-from-trump-s-photo-op-at-st-john-s-church

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When the federal force rushed at protesters outside the White House, journalists were also pushed out. Officers attacked Australian reporter Amelia Brace and also hit cameraman Tim Myers, prompting Australia's Prime Minister Scott Morrison to call for an investigation. The scene played out on live TV, during Australia's breakfast-time Sunrise show.

"While live on air, Myers was struck in the chest by a riot shield and Brace was clubbed with a police baton," Australia's 7NEWS reports.

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"Our Ambassador should be certainly making representations on behalf of these Australians who effectively been assaulted...for doing their job" - Leader of the @AustralianLabor Party @AlboMP speaking after @Channel7 journalist & cameraman were hit.

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Re: A Message from the President of the United States, Donald J. Trump:
« Reply #822 on: June 02, 2020, 01:32:42 PM »
Except it wasn't really a lie, Fenring.  Aris' exact quote is:

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This from the same guy who bragged about grabbing women by the pussy.

Come on, be honest and don't quibble about whether you could theoretically parse this in some obscure way. He's saying this in the way everyone says it to slam trump. He said Trump bragged about grabbing women and that's exactly what he meant, just like I see it stated just like that as a fact on my social media repeatedly. It's a lie, full stop.

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He said nothing about "being able to walk down a public street and grab a random woman."  So that part is an exaggeration, at least as far as Aris' statement goes.

The lie is the claim that Trump not only admitted to doing this but bragged about it. It is a very serious lie. It's like the equivalent of the distinction between saying Bill slept with Monica and cheated on his wife, versus he raped Monica. Those are not the same thing, even though the commonality between them is that we might find them both objectionable. We both know what happens with Trump, and even if you hate him you have to admit it: people think he's despicable, and the exact detailing of what he's done is far less important than what a dirtbag he is. So he bragged about it, he did it, big dif. 

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And don't forget, many if not most men who believe that "women want it" are exaggerating to themselves, too.  A majority of the time women who "want it" only tolerate it, for a variety of reasons.  The men who brag about the women "wanting it" are just lying to themselves to justify their boorish behavior.

I think you are deeply misled about the state of reality with celebrities if you think this is the whole story. Yes, sometimes a celebrity will assume "he/she wants it" and will do something without permission (like Kevin Spacey maybe). But *very often* they do want it, and fall all over themselves to be the sex toy of these celebs. Look up "groupie" for most any rock band and you will see what this is about. No doubt rock stars have it in a more blatant way than Hollywood celebrities do, who probably still have to 'go out with' the girl or something, rather than just dragging them backstage in a group. But yes, there are many, many men/women for whom you can not only grab them in this manner, but they want it and they love it. That does not excuse unsolicited touching, but it is simply not true that these people are deluding themselves about what people will find ok. I have personally spoken with several women who are not in the least bit promiscuous, who despite having fairly conservative sexual mores, still admit in a pinch that they have "a list" of celebs who they would go to bed with immediately with no hesitation. Now that might still involve dinner or something and not just grabbing them in the street, and we might also suppose that this is talk but they wouldn't really do it; but many do and that's no mystery.

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So when Trump brags about being aware of having the ability to grab women by the p*ssy, it is doubtless because he is an egotistical a**hole who believes that it is his right and privilege as a rich male to have women want him to touch them in their intimate places, just for fun.  I mean, would you accept your minister saying something like that? ;)

Well this may be accurate. Given what I've seen of Trump it's even likely. But that doesn't matter, because that's motive speculation of a sort where you're deciding to read his statement as if he's already guilty of the thing you'd like to demonstrate. It's not an irrational thing to suppose he meant, but it's no more necessary a conclusion than is the conclusion that he was just marveling and what a crazy trip it is to be famous.

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Just because he may not believe he can touch any woman at any time there doesn't make him that much less of a pig.  And doesn't make Aris' statement a lie.

You may not have quite meant it this way, but essentially this is saying that even if he didn't mean what you think he did, he may as well have because he's guilty anyhow?

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Re: A Message from the President of the United States, Donald J. Trump:
« Reply #823 on: June 02, 2020, 01:54:48 PM »
And Trump declares himself a friend to peaceful protesters as he has riot police forcibly clear an area for him to have a photo op.

He is a sick, sick man.

That is exactly the kind of tyranny that the supposed 2A defenders claim it is to protect against.  Why aren't those supporters rallying to the side of those protesters to defend their Constitutional rights?  Why aren't they out protesting against the police murder of an unarmed civilian?  Why are they never out to defend anybody but themselves?  Oathkeepers, this is a perfect opportunity for you to win more people to your side of the argument.

A LOT of them were out protesting the treatment of George Floyd. They were "lost" however when it devolved into rioting, at which point they shifted into defense of property mode and the guns came out for defense of businesses under threat of rioters.

As to their not forcefully defending somebody's right to occupy a particular piece of public property? Probably because "ownership" of that space is nebulous to start with? It isn't theirs to defend--especially from Law Enforcement.

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« Reply #824 on: June 02, 2020, 02:28:30 PM »
And don't forget, many if not most men who believe that "women want it" are exaggerating to themselves, too.  A majority of the time women who "want it" only tolerate it, for a variety of reasons.  The men who brag about the women "wanting it" are just lying to themselves to justify their boorish behavior.

I think you are deeply misled about the state of reality with celebrities if you think this is the whole story. Yes, sometimes a celebrity will assume "he/she wants it" and will do something without permission (like Kevin Spacey maybe). But *very often* they do want it, and fall all over themselves to be the sex toy of these celebs. Look up "groupie" for most any rock band and you will see what this is about. No doubt rock stars have it in a more blatant way than Hollywood celebrities do, who probably still have to 'go out with' the girl or something, rather than just dragging them backstage in a group. But yes, there are many, many men/women for whom you can not only grab them in this manner, but they want it and they love it. That does not excuse unsolicited touching, but it is simply not true that these people are deluding themselves about what people will find ok. I have personally spoken with several women who are not in the least bit promiscuous, who despite having fairly conservative sexual mores, still admit in a pinch that they have "a list" of celebs who they would go to bed with immediately with no hesitation. Now that might still involve dinner or something and not just grabbing them in the street, and we might also suppose that this is talk but they wouldn't really do it; but many do and that's no mystery.

The thing to keep in mind here, Fenring, is that WS is probably conflating the "Groupie" thing with the "Weinstein thing" which are two very different tracks that happen to be running parallel to each other. They both involve powerful people in influential positions. But the how and why behind those activities are very different.

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So when Trump brags about being aware of having the ability to grab women by the p*ssy, it is doubtless because he is an egotistical a**hole who believes that it is his right and privilege as a rich male to have women want him to touch them in their intimate places, just for fun.  I mean, would you accept your minister saying something like that? ;)

Well this may be accurate. Given what I've seen of Trump it's even likely. But that doesn't matter, because that's motive speculation of a sort where you're deciding to read his statement as if he's already guilty of the thing you'd like to demonstrate. It's not an irrational thing to suppose he meant, but it's no more necessary a conclusion than is the conclusion that he was just marveling and what a crazy trip it is to be famous.

I actually bothered to track down the audio clip(Snopes was very helpful with that). After reviewing it in the full context, I'll agree Trump's comment is more ambiguous than my initial response held it to be, but it also sounds like a lot of "locker room bravado" as well. It also still seems to strongly hold to "certain contexts" being in play all the same. That clip does seem to make it look like he played into both categories("Weinstein" and "groupies") though.

The more relevant portion starts about 1:15 and runs for about 15 seconds.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-recorded-having-extremely-lewd-conversation-about-women-in-2005/2016/10/07/3b9ce776-8cb4-11e6-bf8a-3d26847eeed4_story.html

But if "the kissing" as shown in that video is the extent of things when Trump was talking about "I just start kissing them" Biden is hardly one to complain, given his own history on that front.

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« Reply #825 on: June 02, 2020, 02:40:52 PM »
I actually bothered to track down the audio clip(Snopes was very helpful with that). After reviewing it in the full context, I'll agree Trump's comment is more ambiguous than my initial response held it to be, but it also sounds like a lot of "locker room bravado" as well. It also still seems to strongly hold to "certain contexts" being in play all the same. That clip does seem to make it look like he played into both categories("Weinstein" and "groupies") though.

The more relevant portion starts about 1:15 and runs for about 15 seconds.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-recorded-having-extremely-lewd-conversation-about-women-in-2005/2016/10/07/3b9ce776-8cb4-11e6-bf8a-3d26847eeed4_story.html

But if "the kissing" as shown in that video is the extent of things when Trump was talking about "I just start kissing them" Biden is hardly one to complain, given his own history on that front.

I decided this actually needed to be touched on further, and it's probably best this end up as its own post.

Here's what Snopes had to say about that video transcript:
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/was-donald-trump-accused-of-sexual-assault-prior-to-the-2016-election/
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On 7 October 2016, The Washington Post released audio of then-presidential candidate Donald Trump having a lewd conversation with Access Hollywood’s Billy Bush in 2005. In it, Trump can be heard making several comments, such as “I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything” and “Grab them by the pussy. You can do anything.” Many interpreted these comments to be admissions of sexual assault.

And now to transcribe what was actually said:

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1:12 (Trump) I better use some Tic-Tacs just in case I start kissing her.
1:15 You know I'm automatically attracted to beautiful--I just start kissing them. It's like a magnet.
1:19 Just kiss. I don't even wait.
1:21 And when you're a star, they'll let you do it. You can do anything.
1:24 (Bush) Whatever you want.
1:25 (Trump) Grab them by the pussy. You can do anything.

huh, slightly different context that. He's doesn't wait to kiss women, still not cool. But that's a far cry from "I don't even wait, I just grab them by the pussy." Which is what they've tried to turn it into.

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« Reply #826 on: June 02, 2020, 03:32:19 PM »
One main thing I could see as mitigating, aside from the ambiguity about his comment, is that he isn't attractive. I know that big money and power sometimes speak for themselves, but this isn't like Mick Jagger here. So that does make me raise an eyebrow about how much the girls were into it. If Jagger had said exactly these same things I'd essentially assume he was speaking honestly and that the girls were into it. That doesn't mean I like it, and on some level doesn't mean it isn't abusive, but people can be entirely happy to give themselves over to abusive situations. It can be bad and still their choice. But in Trump's case, yeah, he's not Jagger so I wonder about how much groupies really fawn on him. But maybe I'm wrong; NYC is a crazy ass place, especially with money and age disparity.

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Re: A Message from the President of the United States, Donald J. Trump:
« Reply #827 on: June 02, 2020, 04:49:31 PM »
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So in that context, he likely did have access to venues where if he wanted to, he probably could do exactly that. But that's a far cry from being able to walk down a public street and grab a random woman "by the pussy." Or an admission that he ever actually did so, just that he was aware of having the ability. (And likely knowing people who did just that -- like Mr. Lolita Express, and one of his frequent passengers PotUS#42)

Since he doesn't grab women by the pussy on the street I guess it's not so bad then, maybe not worth holding it against him.  Let's ask the 25 women who have claimed he sexually harassed them or the undressed teenage girls in the competition changing rooms how they feel about his sexual empowerment.  He didn't do anything to them on the street, either.

So it's ok to tell a lie about someone so long as they've (probably) done other bad things? They're bad anyhow, so who cares? You should not be standing up for lies, even against men you despise.

What lie?

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Re: A Message from the President of the United States, Donald J. Trump:
« Reply #828 on: June 02, 2020, 04:54:18 PM »
I'm tired of all the bull*censored* in this thread.  I'll take on one more thing before taking a breather:

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A LOT of them were out protesting the treatment of George Floyd. They were "lost" however when it devolved into rioting, at which point they shifted into defense of property mode and the guns came out for defense of businesses under threat of rioters.

As to their not forcefully defending somebody's right to occupy a particular piece of public property? Probably because "ownership" of that space is nebulous to start with? It isn't theirs to defend--especially from Law Enforcement.

This is your explanation for why the Oathkeepers and none of the other self-identified Constitution defense groups have showed up at any of the protests?  Give me a break!  If they cared about the Constitution, they would be defending all rights, not just the one they selfishly care about.

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Re: A Message from the President of the United States, Donald J. Trump:
« Reply #829 on: June 02, 2020, 10:12:12 PM »
One main thing I could see as mitigating, aside from the ambiguity about his comment, is that he isn't attractive. I know that big money and power sometimes speak for themselves, but this isn't like Mick Jagger here. So that does make me raise an eyebrow about how much the girls were into it. If Jagger had said exactly these same things I'd essentially assume he was speaking honestly and that the girls were into it. That doesn't mean I like it, and on some level doesn't mean it isn't abusive, but people can be entirely happy to give themselves over to abusive situations. It can be bad and still their choice. But in Trump's case, yeah, he's not Jagger so I wonder about how much groupies really fawn on him. But maybe I'm wrong; NYC is a crazy ass place, especially with money and age disparity.

The context of this exchange is TheDeamon had had enough of hearing this business about Trump bragged about grabbing women. I'm calling it a lie, since it is factually not the case that he bragged about doing that, and despite knowing this people keep repeating it.

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Re: A Message from the President of the United States, Donald J. Trump:
« Reply #830 on: June 02, 2020, 10:16:24 PM »
Although I don't think he actually did it, he bragged about it as if he could and could get away with it.  It's an adolescent fantasy that he can control women with his magnetic masculine power.  Him believing he could do it is as bad as him having done it.  It's not a lie, it's a wish, and for all we know, perhaps he did.  He's done enough other reprehensible things toward women, so we shouldn't insist it has never happened.

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Re: A Message from the President of the United States, Donald J. Trump:
« Reply #831 on: June 02, 2020, 10:31:04 PM »
Him believing he could do it is as bad as him having done it.

I'm going to stop you right here. Do you really believe this? And let's step back from AAAAH TRUMP! for a moment and just reflect. Do you really believe this is a valid statement and should be applied to people? That if they believe they could do a thing, it is as bad as if they had really done it?

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Re: A Message from the President of the United States, Donald J. Trump:
« Reply #832 on: June 03, 2020, 08:04:44 AM »
Him believing he could do it is as bad as him having done it.

I'm going to stop you right here. Do you really believe this? And let's step back from AAAAH TRUMP! for a moment and just reflect. Do you really believe this is a valid statement and should be applied to people? That if they believe they could do a thing, it is as bad as if they had really done it?

I won't repeat how many times he's been accused of sexual assault by women, how he wouldn't bother harassing them if they weren't pretty enough, how he cheated on his wives with a porn star and Playboy centerfold, reportedly tried to get Marla Maples, his second wife at the time, to become a Playboy centerfold for $1M, etc., etc., etc.   But you're right, it's not as bad, but close.

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Re: A Message from the President of the United States, Donald J. Trump:
« Reply #833 on: June 03, 2020, 08:10:13 AM »
Can we start with the phot evidence?
Wow, there's photo evidence of Tara Reade being assaulted by Biden?  Yes, please!

smh

You obviously know thats not what was meant. Another strawman from you.

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Re: A Message from the President of the United States, Donald J. Trump:
« Reply #834 on: June 03, 2020, 08:16:18 AM »
Him believing he could do it is as bad as him having done it.

I'm going to stop you right here. Do you really believe this? And let's step back from AAAAH TRUMP! for a moment and just reflect. Do you really believe this is a valid statement and should be applied to people? That if they believe they could do a thing, it is as bad as if they had really done it?

I won't repeat how many times he's been accused of sexual assault by women, how he wouldn't bother harassing them if they weren't pretty enough, how he cheated on his wives with a porn star and Playboy centerfold, reportedly tried to get Marla Maples, his second wife at the time, to become a Playboy centerfold for $1M, etc., etc., etc.   But you're right, it's not as bad, but close.

smh.

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« Reply #835 on: June 03, 2020, 08:31:11 AM »
Can we start with the phot evidence?
Wow, there's photo evidence of Tara Reade being assaulted by Biden?  Yes, please!

smh

You obviously know thats not what was meant. Another strawman from you.
Do you even know what you meant? Elaborate.

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Re: A Message from the President of the United States, Donald J. Trump:
« Reply #836 on: June 03, 2020, 08:32:17 AM »
Twitter: Trump on the Bible
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Ted Cruz is a cheater! He holds the Bible high and then lies and misrepresents the facts!

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Re: A Message from the President of the United States, Donald J. Trump:
« Reply #837 on: June 03, 2020, 08:56:51 AM »
Him believing he could do it is as bad as him having done it.

I'm going to stop you right here. Do you really believe this? And let's step back from AAAAH TRUMP! for a moment and just reflect. Do you really believe this is a valid statement and should be applied to people? That if they believe they could do a thing, it is as bad as if they had really done it?

I won't repeat how many times he's been accused of sexual assault by women, how he wouldn't bother harassing them if they weren't pretty enough, how he cheated on his wives with a porn star and Playboy centerfold, reportedly tried to get Marla Maples, his second wife at the time, to become a Playboy centerfold for $1M, etc., etc., etc.   But you're right, it's not as bad, but close.

smh.
That's your standard response to something you don't want to hear, but in this case I was just giving a recitation of facts.  What's your problem with those facts?

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Re: A Message from the President of the United States, Donald J. Trump:
« Reply #838 on: June 04, 2020, 10:18:03 PM »
OK, a message for the President of the United States:
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When I saw General Mattis' comments yesterday I felt like perhaps we are getting to a point where we can be more honest with the concerns that we might hold internally and have the courage of our own convictions to speak up.

Senator Lisa Murkowski

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Re: A Message from the President of the United States, Donald J. Trump:
« Reply #839 on: June 05, 2020, 01:24:21 PM »
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Hopefully, George is looking down right and saying this is a great thing that’s happening for our country. It’s a great day for him, it’s a great day for everybody
The president just said it's a great day for George Floyd, because the unemployment rate went down...

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Re: A Message from the President of the United States, Donald J. Trump:
« Reply #840 on: June 05, 2020, 03:02:37 PM »
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Hopefully, George is looking down right and saying this is a great thing that’s happening for our country. It’s a great day for him, it’s a great day for everybody
The president just said it's a great day for George Floyd, because the unemployment rate went down...

What the ever. living. fork.

This is so far off the mark.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOz-jEhcB4c

There's no part of those remarks that are talking about the unemployment rate in relationship to Floyd. He's talking minutes before about fair and equal treatment.

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Re: A Message from the President of the United States, Donald J. Trump:
« Reply #841 on: June 05, 2020, 04:01:50 PM »
That may be the most egregious example of selective editing and fake news so far.

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Re: A Message from the President of the United States, Donald J. Trump:
« Reply #842 on: June 05, 2020, 04:03:51 PM »
I couldn't get past the :33s mark.  All I can think to say is that if George was here, and I know he is, he would be smiling at Trump.  And it would be weird, him dead and all.

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Re: A Message from the President of the United States, Donald J. Trump:
« Reply #843 on: June 05, 2020, 04:04:53 PM »
That may be the most egregious example of selective editing and fake news so far.

You mean smarmy, don't you?

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Re: A Message from the President of the United States, Donald J. Trump:
« Reply #844 on: June 05, 2020, 04:09:22 PM »
That may be the most egregious example of selective editing and fake news so far.

You mean smarmy, don't you?

No, the smarmy is you baby. All you.

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Re: A Message from the President of the United States, Donald J. Trump:
« Reply #845 on: June 05, 2020, 04:15:09 PM »
That may be the most egregious example of selective editing and fake news so far.

You mean smarmy, don't you?

No, the smarmy is you baby. All you.

Fercrissakes, get a *censored*ing dictionary and look it up already!

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Re: A Message from the President of the United States, Donald J. Trump:
« Reply #846 on: June 05, 2020, 05:12:05 PM »
I don't see what's objectionable about Trump's statement here, it's fairly innocuous. And it certainly doesn't show what DonaldD claimed it did.

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Re: A Message from the President of the United States, Donald J. Trump:
« Reply #847 on: June 05, 2020, 05:35:22 PM »
I don't see what's objectionable about Trump's statement here, it's fairly innocuous. And it certainly doesn't show what DonaldD claimed it did.

Yeah, he basically did. He said explicitly that decreasing jobless numbers and an improved economy mean that racism will go away.

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Re: A Message from the President of the United States, Donald J. Trump:
« Reply #848 on: June 05, 2020, 05:45:45 PM »
I don't see what's objectionable about Trump's statement here, it's fairly innocuous. And it certainly doesn't show what DonaldD claimed it did.

Yeah, he basically did. He said explicitly that decreasing jobless numbers and an improved economy mean that racism will go away.

He absolutely said none of that. Support your argument. The fact that he talked about the economy prior to wandering in to a commentary on equality and racism is not even a little bit sufficient. It's okay, we can wait for the transcript. The clips I've found contain no discussion of economics.

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Re: A Message from the President of the United States, Donald J. Trump:
« Reply #849 on: June 05, 2020, 05:55:20 PM »
 There's a link to the full transcript in here: https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/06/trump-george-floyd-in-heaven-pleased-with-trump-administrations-record.html

Transcript: https://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/donald-trump-press-conference-transcript-on-jobs-report

It doesn't seem to be quite as bad as some people are making it out to be employment numbers but it's a pretty stupid thing to say.