Author Topic: ERIC-Is the GOP really interested in stopping voter fraud?  (Read 131 times)

Mynnion

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ERIC-Is the GOP really interested in stopping voter fraud?
« on: March 07, 2023, 08:10:44 AM »
I've been reading about this over the last week or so.  I found some vague conspiracy theories that ERIC was a tool of the left but nothing suggesting how the data was being manipulated or what purpose it would have.  WIKI describes it as:
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ERIC's technical staff matches that data against data from all the other member states and Social Security death data. ERIC identifies voters who have moved, voters who have died, and voters with duplicate registrations within a state's database.

The GOP is constantly mentioning dead voters or voters from other states.  How are they going to monitor this information that seems critical to catching fraud without a system that produces the information?  Does the GOP really care about voter fraud or is it just lip service to provide plausible deniability when a candidate loses?

https://www.npr.org/2023/03/06/1161374479/electronic-registration-information-center-eric-florida-missouri-west-virginia

msquared

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Re: ERIC-Is the GOP really interested in stopping voter fraud?
« Reply #1 on: March 07, 2023, 08:48:46 AM »
Obviously lip service.  Just look at AZ.  10,000 hours spent looking into election fraud claims and almost 0 examples of real fraud. The real frauds are Trump/Lake/Fincham et al.

yossarian22c

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Re: ERIC-Is the GOP really interested in stopping voter fraud?
« Reply #2 on: March 07, 2023, 09:13:24 AM »
Mark Meadows just wants to make sure he can register and vote in multiple states.

yossarian22c

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Re: ERIC-Is the GOP really interested in stopping voter fraud?
« Reply #3 on: March 07, 2023, 09:47:15 AM »
The worst part is there are real things we should do to ensure election security. Basically scantron with risk limiting auditing is about as good as it gets. More technology doesn't help. But the voting/tech companies make a lot more money off the touch screen voting computers, so they tend to form corrupt relationships with the people purchasing the equipment. But we should all still be voting the way we took the SAT decades ago.

NobleHunter

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Re: ERIC-Is the GOP really interested in stopping voter fraud?
« Reply #4 on: March 07, 2023, 10:07:24 AM »
Canada/Ontario still uses some variation on paper and pencils. Though our elections are usually much less complicated than yours. We only vote for one position in federal and provincial elections and I think only 3 or 4 in municipal elections (mayor, councillor, school board trustee, plus maybe something else?).

yossarian22c

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Re: ERIC-Is the GOP really interested in stopping voter fraud?
« Reply #5 on: March 07, 2023, 10:34:15 AM »
Canada/Ontario still uses some variation on paper and pencils. Though our elections are usually much less complicated than yours. We only vote for one position in federal and provincial elections and I think only 3 or 4 in municipal elections (mayor, councillor, school board trustee, plus maybe something else?).

My local county still uses Scantron. But the push for new voting systems in some places is to push away from that and it is all money driven. America's elections are messed up by primaries and gerrymandering. That is a much tougher nut to crack than anything around election security. Election security is probably more at risk from the crazy right wing who are running off good election officials and trying to take their place than any technology or policy. If the "insiders" believe that the other side commits fraud with no evidence to back it up they are more likely to do things like not certify the election or throw out ballets cast for the wrong candidate. Obviously any votes for a Democrat must be fraudulent.

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Re: ERIC-Is the GOP really interested in stopping voter fraud?
« Reply #6 on: March 07, 2023, 12:39:09 PM »
The worst part is there are real things we should do to ensure election security. Basically scantron with risk limiting auditing is about as good as it gets. More technology doesn't help. But the voting/tech companies make a lot more money off the touch screen voting computers, so they tend to form corrupt relationships with the people purchasing the equipment. But we should all still be voting the way we took the SAT decades ago.

Yeah because people filling out ovals with a number 2 pencil is flawless.

Touch screen, physical print, and scan is plenty safe.

yossarian22c

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Re: ERIC-Is the GOP really interested in stopping voter fraud?
« Reply #7 on: March 17, 2023, 06:52:50 PM »
Ohio is out. Last month they were saying this. Now they’re leaving. The lack of caring about reality on the right has consequences.

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Just last month, in an interview with NPR, LaRose called ERIC "one of the best tools that we have for maintaining the accuracy of our voter files."